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November 2020

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  • Thank you for notifying, I'll add the attributions. Kevo327 (talk) 14:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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December 2020

Information icon Hello, I'm Mosesheron. I noticed that you recently removed content from Church of Caucasian Albania without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Mosesheron (talk) 09:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi fellow editor, yes I did remove part of the background section from that article, with the intent of replacing it with a more accurate and clear religious background rather than the one included in the article, I'm afraid my intention didn't come across clear enough. In the future I'll redact it once I add new content. Thank you for your concern.@Mosesheron: - Kevo327 (talk) 09:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
I understand your point. However, the removal of a sourced content is fairly likely to be contested by any standard. The best way of curing a poorly written content, I think, is clarifying it either according to the existing sources or adding some new if you really want to rewrite it in order to reflect a balanced view. I think that is exactly what you are trying to do. Happy editing! Mosesheron (talk) 09:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Albanian Crosses

A fictional article, Albanian Crosses, has been nominated for deletion. Could you please elaborate here [[1]]? --Addictedtohistory (talk) 09:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
You're polite, civil and helpful, even in discussions where we don't agree. Thank you for being a good editor. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
@CuriousGolden:, thank you for my first barnstar XD. I personally believe that all human beings by nature are prone to disagree, even more so if you consider racial, ethnic, linguistic, religious and other differences, But that should stop us from trying our best to be civil and polite and interested in others. Have a nice day. - Kevo327 (talk) 10:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Center for Middle Eastern Strategic Studies

Please stop unilaterally removing Center for Middle Eastern Strategic Studies references (ORSAM); you'll need some supporting evidence to declare that it is a "biased" source. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie: thank you for contacting me, I may have not made my reasoning clear by calling it biased (for the lack of a better term).

My rationale for removing it is that it was used to add translated names for Syrian cities and villages (the source being in Turkish), and not proper used names. The same source also says that Syrian Turkmen mainly speak Arabic, which weakens the claim of Turkish names. If this source is considered a proper reason to add names to leads, then I'm afraid that all of Wikipedia will one day be a jumble of semi transliterated names. For now, I'll do as you asked and stop editing in that topic area until the neutrality and proper understanding of my edits can be established. - Kevo327 (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kevo327: I agree about commonnames being held in bold but you are removing local languages. I'm afraid that all of Wikipedia will one day be a jumble of semi transliterated names. can you say the same for Karabakh settlements? The same source also says that Syrian Turkmen mainly speak Arabic, which weakens the claim of Turkish names. They're Turkish people, not all of them are Arabized. Plus you remove legit names like Çobanbey, even this name has its own Arabized version called Jawban Bayk. Beshogur (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
@Beshogur: can you say the same for Karabakh settlements? How is this of any relevance here? They're Turkish people, not all of them are Arabized. WP:OR. The only source we currently have says that they mainly speak arabic, if possible please provide sources. Plus you remove legit names like Çobanbey it could be used in the article lead with a good source, but in other articles the Common name is Al-Rai. - Kevo327 (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
My objection is primarily to unilaterally removing the source, and removing text stating that those settlements have significant Turkmen populations. I don't object to applications of WP:COMMONNAME, and though there isn't a global consensus on when to include language variants for names, I tend to support limiting of language name variants; i.e., for a given settlement, we should use the official language of that province or nation, or perhaps the language of the majority of residents. I'd support including Turkish names only if we have a reliable source that Turkish is the majority language of the settlement, or has some official standing. Perhaps remove the Turkish name, but retain the Turkmen category that was removed, and mention that the settlement has a signficiant Turkmen population (if I'm reading the translation correctly, the Orsam source is identifying border towns with significant Turkmen populations, though it's not clear if they are the majority demographic). OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
@Ohnoitsjamie: please correct me if I misunderstood, or if you have a better suggestion to what i should do:
  • I shouldn't remove the ORSAM source: but it is used only to cite the Turkish translation of the official name or an unofficial name. Should I keep it only when another source says that there is a Turkmen Majority in the village? And otherwise remove it with the Turkish name?
  • I can remove the Turkish name if it hasn't any (sourced) historic notability or official status and if no source says that the population are mainly Turkophone.
  • If Turkmen population majority is proven, I shouldn't remove the category

Note: the ORSAM source goes all the way to abandoned villages in the Golan heights. - Kevo327 (talk) 22:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

(1) Yes; that source is probably OK for some uses. (2) There isn't a hard policy that says we can't have names in other languages, but as I said, I'm on the side of minimizing native names unless they have some official status for that entity, so I won't object to you removing those. (3) If there is a reasonable source that suggests it has a significant Turkmen population, I see no harm in retaining the category. However, I can't say "that settles the matter." Per Syrian_Turkmen#Current_population, it will be difficult to reliably make any sort of population assessments. It might be worthwhile to solicit broader community input. The main takeaway is that I was concerned that you were making mass unilateral changes to article without any sort of clear consensus or policy basis (besides WP:COMMONNAME). I appreciate your willingness to discuss/compromise. I understand this is a contentious topic. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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Done, thank you for notifying. - Kevo327 (talk) 12:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Istanbul - Damascus twinning

Hello, can you please send me a source of a claim in edit summary of this yours edit? Ideally an up-to-date list of twin towns of Damascus. The official Instanbul list was last updated in 2020/12 and Damascus is still considered as its twin town. Thank you! FromCzech (talk) 07:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@FromCzech: I'm afraid that I cannot provide one, my edit being from real life knowledge and not an online source; because I live in Syria. With the start of the Syrian civil war almost all sorts of contact stoped between the Syrian and Turkish Governments, and tensions reached to the degree of military confrontation. Feel free to revert my edit if you must, I don't mind. - Kevo327 (talk) 08:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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Azerbaijani Carpets

I understand your emotional state but if you have an issue with article please post it in talk page rather than deleting large sections and making it unreadable  Agulani (talk) 11:21, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

@Agulani: my emotional state? Vandalism? The article has been mostly unsourced for 2 years, by WP:BOLD and WP:V that content can be deleted untill they are duely sourced, making WP:ASPERSIONS doesn't justify blindly reverting edits that you are WP:BURDENED to provide sources for. The article is mostly unsourced and some of the sources are non RS sources such as blogs and online shops. You should rather spend your time researching and finding reliable sources for the content I'm removing again rather than wasting both our times by imagining nationalist motives for legit edits. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:03, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Military Trophy Park

Hi. There is no any sources claiming that the war trophies in tha park were received by "allied Syrian mercenaries". Thus, this edit is firstly WP:OR and secondly is a violation of the WP:CONSENSUS. Looks like POV-pushing. --Interfase (talk) 19:44, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@Interfase: there are no sources that they got the trophies, but as a confirmed combatant group it is common sense that they have. We don't need sources to say the sky is blue. As for the violation against consensus, please show me the consensus you are mentioning. Looks like you WP:Just don't like it. - Kevo327 (talk) 22:42, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
It is not common sense that some trophies in the park were captured by some Syrians. So, we need a reliable sourse for that. The parricipation of the Syrians on Azerbaijani side also is reported but not confirmed yet. And please stop edit warring. You POV pushing will not stay on the article unless there is consensus. Interfase (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
@Interfase: We might as well argue that some of the trophies just appeared there one day and weren't seized by the Azerbaijani army, As we don't have a source that says they got them ALL BY THEMSELVES. The Syrian militants participation is confirmed by several high quality sources. Feel free to open an Rfc on the 2020 war article page to move the participation status from confirmed to "alleged " to conform your beliefs. You saying it isn't confirmed doesn't make it so. Till then I'm reverting YOUR POV pushing. - Kevo327 (talk) 15:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
First, The Syrian militants participation is confirmed only on the Armenian side[2], not Azerbaijani. Secondly, you cannot argue that Azerbaijani army did not seize these trophies because there are reliable sources claiming that these trophieses were seized by Azerbaijan[3]. But there is no any source claiming that some of them were seized by myphic Syrian militants. Till there is no consensus on that disputed information I will revert your POV pushing because it is clear violation of WP:CONSENSUS amd WP:EW. --Interfase (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
P.S. Please note that returning the disputed information without a consensus is a violation of WP:CONSENSUS. In our case the disputed information is the information about "allied Syrians" added by you. Interfase (talk) 18:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Interfase: I know what's wrong now, please kindly read the part about the syrian militants on the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war article and then return and reply to me whether it's still only Armenia that made these statements. The french and syrian presidents also did.. as well as other foreign officials and newspapers. I'll stay here and wait untill you reply. Also, if they are combatants (as we shall see) they have to be added to article as they did have an active combate role, you are giving the Azerbaijani sources WP:UNDUE weight. I wish you would try and see my point from a neutral POV as well, CuriousGolden was good at that and we often got along for it. - Kevo327 (talk) 20:00, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

First, the statements of the french and syrian presidents, the social media users and the incognito person's interview cannot confirm the participation of the mercenaries on Azerbaijani side. Secondly, even if there was some combatants we need reliable source confirming that there are some trophies at the park captured by them. Untill that the statement "seized by allied Syrian mercenaries " is typical WP:OR. And, by the way, I did not give "Azerbaijani sources" yet. Interfase (talk) 20:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
@Interfase: you still haven't read the war article or the sources. It is the consensus on that article that the Syrian militants participated, they are fully listed with numbers and casualties in the infobox as a full belligerent and not "alleged" (compare with Turkey on the same page) I can write a full list of sources and agencies and intelligence services that have reported the Syrians, but please read them from the article instead of forcing me to write them one by one. If you still aren't convinced we can ask for 3O. - Kevo327 (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
@Interfase: while we're here -and by the looks of it we'll still be here for a while- we could do with some refreshments, how do like your coffee?20:28, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
I know that there is a consensus between some users (not all) on English Wikipedia that there was Syrian merceneries on Azerbaijani side. But it does not confirm that really there was Syrian merceneries. For example in Russian Wikipedia there is a consensus that the involvment of Syrian mercenaries is only allegation and they even are not mentioned on article's infobox. On the other hand the determention of the main article's topic is that this war is "an armed conflict between Azerbaijan, supported by Turkey, and the self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh together with Armenia, in the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh and surrounding territories", not between Azerbaijan together with allied Syrian Army. This is a consensus. On the other hand we have enough sources and confirmed videos and photos showing Azerbaijani Army with the captured Armenian war trophies, but there is no any documentaion showing some Syrian millitant with Armenian trophy from Karabakh. So even if some Wikiusers had a consensus about participation of Syrians in the conflict, it is original research to claim that some trophies of the park were captured by them. If you disagree and still want to add Syrians to the article plase ask for the third opinion. Interfase (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
@Interfase: We can't say that there is some consensus, there either is or there isn't, which in this case there is, and the Russian Wikipedia is another project that is independent, decision and policies and blocks and consensuses there don't apply here. The consensus on the english Wikipedia is that they participated, you are free to challenge this on the article's talk page - Kevo327 (talk) 14:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Again, there is a consensus that the main article's topic is that this war is "an armed conflict between Azerbaijan, supported by Turkey, and the self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh together with Armenia, in the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh and surrounding territories", not between Azerbaijan together with allied Syrian Army. Also there is NO ANY CONSENSUS that some trophies of the park was captured by Syrian millitants. Untill there is no any consensus and no any reliable sources claiming that we cannot add this information to the article. Interfase (talk) 15:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

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What were you thinking tagging the above article as WP:A3? Empty is empty with very few exceptions, and that article, even after you inappropriately removed material because of a dead link, was not empty.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:10, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23, I am not experienced with speedy deletions and thought that was the right tag, could you please explain what was I wrong in and what I should have done instead? - Kevo327 (talk) 21:15, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
First, please read what A3 says (I linked to it above), and tell me what you think was wrong with using that tag.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
Bbb23, this catched my attention After reading, surely this is where I was wrong. However, a very short article may be a valid stub if it has context, in which case it is not eligible for deletion under this criterion. I'm truly sorry I wasted your time. - Kevo327 (talk) 21:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Self revert

Kevo327, you made 2 reverts within 24 hours on 2020 NKR war article. Do you want to self revert to avoid violation of 1RR? Thanks. --Armatura (talk) 00:06, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Armatura, thank you for notifying, I am fully aware that the article is under 1RR restrictions.
I think you are mistaken as the first one of my edits is a manual deletion, and not a reversion, making my edits one ordinary edit and one reversion. - Kevo327 (talk) 05:21, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Azerbaijani medical tourism

Hello Kevo327. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Azerbaijani medical tourism, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I know this is not going to make me popular, but: Talk:Azerbaijani medical tourism created 30 Jan 2018, nothing happening there since that date. History of this article contains numerous WP:FRINGE claims and possible WP:COPYVIOs. That can be fixed. Who would be the benefactor of the "it serves only to promote or publicise an entity, person, product, or idea"? WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP would appear to apply here. Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 09:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

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I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Lider TV, which you proposed for deletion. The reason is the article is actually still notable. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 06:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

BengkelBerkah05, i seem to have reverted before seeing you message here, sorry for that. But as I have written in the revert summary the article doesn't have a anything that shows notability, with first one being a dead self-published source and the second one is a superficial ref about it going bankrupt, none of these make it pass WP:GNG even remotely. I'd rather have you or someone improve it before removing the PROD tag, I would be okay with you removing it if you plan to improve it though. - Kevo327 (talk) 06:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
User:Kevo327: I've found a source about the closure of Lider TV from the Azerbaijani version of the same article: [4]. I will remove your addition of proposed deletion template, also improving the article with the link that I share. BengkelBerkah05 (talk) 06:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
BengkelBerkah05 Good work, thank you, I would have removed it myself but then again it's the same. - Kevo327 (talk) 07:53, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet

(removed) I'm really sorry about that - I accidentally ticked the "block" box on my script when dealing with the sockpuppet investigation concerning you. I've unblocked you and explicitly noted in the block log that this was an incorrect block. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

GeneralNotability, no worries mate, accidents happen. It was a really confusing 3-4 minutes for me. This made me remember the time I patrolled recent edits for about 2 hours but forgetting to check off the "watch article" box on twinkle, had my watchlist cluttered for weeks. Have a nice day. - Kevo327 (talk) 23:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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About Deproding

Came to leave you a deprod note from the Mamirli waterfall (Azerbaijan) but saw you noticed already, and I saw you asked the user whom deprodded the article why it was done. I wanted to let you know I attempted to address this issue with him and I walked away thinking he's operating in bad faith. Note he deleted my message off his talk page which is why it is an edit link. Personally, I wouldn't waste your time as it will go nowhere. --Tautomers(T C) 20:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Deprodding of 4 Articles

I am leaving this message to let you know that the articles Qələbin Waterfall, Baku Process, Lycée français de Bakou, and Kanan Yusif-zada, that you tagged for Proposed Deletion were removed by another user, and they failed to leave a note on your talk page about it. They also appear to not have given any reason for doing so. This can be seen in the articles edit history. As you were not informed, I have taken it upon myself to leave this here so you may consider either perusing Articles for Deletion, or improving and tagging the article with Edit Templates as adding a new PROD is not permitted. Kind regards, --Tautomers(T C) 19:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Tautomers Thank you for notifying, I have read the deprod policy article and know that reproding is not allowed. I just want to ask your opinion about fast deprodings without explanation, as those 4 articles were deproded 1-2 minutes apart, which shows that no time was spent actually chekcing the article itself. This is stretching my AGF abilities to it's limits. - Kevo327 (talk) 20:37, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

See the other deprod note I left for you a few days ago and the link I put in it. This was done by the same editor. I am quite certain this individual operates in bad faith, sadly. --Tautomers(T C)
Tautomers that's really sad especially since he's an experienced user and should know better, should we take this to ANI if he persists? - Kevo327 (talk) 06:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't intend to bring this up to ANI unless I emmass a considerable amount of evidence to support bad faith behavior over a long period of time. It's pretty obvious to me, but at the same time in order for something to be done you need a lot of receipts. That and I have doubts anything would be done even if it's agreed to be an issue. He does thankfully produce good articles and content in very good faith for stuff he is interested in and is knowledgeable on, so he's not a wholesale issue. I suspect he sort of hides behind that to justify the bad faith behavior. Basically I am keeping watch, and if it hits a tipping point I'll bring it up somewhere. He seems like a very effective rules lawyer so it needs to be extremely clear. If not I don't mind trailing the messes he leaves. --Tautomers(T C) 07:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I wrote about this to the user:Materialscientist. Sincerely, --TarPas (talk) 20:12, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Nizami Ganjavi International Center

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Hello! Could you kindly explain why you deleted the details from the article, even if you might search from the website all details, instead of to adding unsourced details? Please check the website of the organization. Also, the article has been created as the format of the other International Organizations. But instead of an edition, and with unclear explanation some parts of the article (MISSION, INTERNATIONAL AWARD LIST(if you check the website, you might see), SPECIAL ADVISORS) were deleted by you. If you are a real editor, you should edit it, not delete it. --JahJacob (talk) 08:05, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

JahJacob, Hello there, they were and still are unsourced, you need to source everything in the article with reliable and secondary sources or else it is considered unsourced, and per WP:BURDEN you should have provided sources before reverting me, now I'll be reverting you back because you still didn't add any, and I don't have to search any external websites, have a nice day. - Kevo327 (talk) 08:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

as a personal curiosity, are you related to the center in any way or work there? - Kevo327 (talk) 09:01, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
@JahJacob: can you answer? - Kevo327 (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Kevo327: Nizami Ganjavi International Center is a cultural, non-profit, non-political organization dedicated to the memory of great Azerbaijani poet, Nizami Ganjavi and to the study and dissemination of his works with a mission to build a dialogue and understanding between cultures and peoples for building functional and inclusive societies. Center is the well-known Global Organization, and also in Azerbaijan it is very popular. By the way I already have added the references for the Award section. Please kindly check it, if you have any edit on it, please let me know. Thank you for your attention.--JahJacob (talk) 10:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC) Dear @Kevo327: also I would like mention that, all the information have been added due the Azerbaijani version of the page--JahJacob (talk) 10:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

JahJacob, I see that you refuse to answer my questions, I have seen that you have added some sources to the awards, but the rest of the article is still unsourced, and the Azerbaijani version in on az-wiki which is a seperate project with different rules and standards, en-wiki is a seperate project that doesn't mirror other projects, having said that, you can't say "Due to the Azerbaijani version" to circumvent sourcing, I'll remove the unsourced parts yet again. - Kevo327 (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Dear User:Kevo327, I have checked your profile, you seem very experienced. But to delete so many symbols even the ones with the references seems very questionable. Also, your edits and tags are not understandable from my side. Knowing that the organization was created in Baku while looking through the history of your edits seems very bias, maybe you know what I mean. I have done very extensive research in many languages and some things you have deleted completely seem questionable, you can just add it is under construction for now, as I will be editing and improving it. Please, do not delete or undo or edit wholly, it really seems bias. Just a piece of friendly advice. All the best.

Adelebahmani, thank you for your advice, I'm grateful for it, while I respect your research, your edits don't meet Wikipedia standards, you might want to read these pages to understand me WP:RS,WP:V. I also want to ask you if you're related to the center in any way. - Kevo327 (talk) 10:53, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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IsmayilovAkif as a sockpuppet of EljanM

Hi, Kevo! :)

Could you open a sockpuppet investigation into IsmayilovAkif? I am not exactly certain how to do it myself, so I would appreciate such a deed indescribably.

Have a wonderful day/week! Sincerely, BaxçeyêReş (talk) 09:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

@BaxçeyêReş: I'll do shortly, I had the suspicion that he's a sock as well. Hope you have a nice day as well. - Kevo327 (talk) 11:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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About Mount Ararat page

You have to explain your reason to adding Armenia map on a mountain is not in Armenia. If there is no such rule as you suggest then there is no such rule to add an irrelevant map. With same logic someone can add Zimbabwe map too and Wikipedia becomes a infollution. I'm waiting an explanation or i will take further actions.

Anılahc What further actions? Threatening will get you nowhere, neither will your disrespectful tone. The article has a soft consensus to include the map for various encyclopedic and useful reasons, which by your tone I doubt you want to know and discuss. - Kevo327 (talk) 09:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Kevo327 That is what i am asking for. Please elaborate soft consensus i would like to get a clear and a rational reason to keep Armenia map on the article. I do not threaten you, but as i have given an example of Zimbabwe, keeping Armenia map may create further problems in Wikipedia. Let me know if you have valid, objective reason.

By soft consensus i mean that the current version of the maps has been there for a long while without anyone objecting it, as for reasons of inclusion the article clearly states the cultural and historic importance of the mountains to Armenians, and the inclusion is also encyclopedicaly useful as it is a widespread belief that the mountains are inside Armenia. It also shows the relative location to Armenia if anyone wants to refer other historic maps and determine on which side of the border the mountains to be. What you are doing is Nationalism-based activism. By wikipedia policies you need to establish consensus for the removal and not vice versa. I don't have anything further to discuss. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:41, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Anılahc aslo, sign you comments using four of these (~) . - Kevo327 (talk) 13:43, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

About massacres

Hello dear Kevo327. Taking this edit into account, I also removed pogroms against Armenian in this list. Should Dushanbe riots also be removed as they're not labelled "massacre"? 185.81.80.100 (talk) 17:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

IP 185.81.80.100- you are welcome on en.wp but there are advantages to creating an account and learning the ropes here as to how en.wp works before making major edits. Best wishes. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

About the revert

Hello, Kevo327. Is this information related to Ilham Aliyev? I want to know if it is:

Azerbaijan's oil wealth has made it possible for the country to host lavish international events.

Toghrul R (talk) 13:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Toghrul R it does in the context of the paragraph that has these lines. It describes Azerbaijan under Aliyev's rule. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
Kevo327 that information is not mentioned in the given article. Plus, Eurovision 2012 and European Games are the two mentioned. Azerbaijan won the song contest in 2011, which is the ground to be a host for that contest for the following year. Hosting Eurovision doesn't require oil. European Games are held in Azerbaijan and also Belarus already (Poland in the future). Toghrul R (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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Chechili

SonofJacob, continue discussing on each articles respective talk page, as multiple users have reverted you you need to discuss with all of them to reach a concensus, I won't be here to answer you these few upcoming days. - Kevo327 (talk) 12:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay. An unrelated question: may I ask if you go by another name of Seinir? SonofJacob (talk) 13:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

SonofJacob, no, I only have this one account, editing on more than one account is not allowed. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
SonofJacob, no, I only have this one account, editing on more than one account is not allowed. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay. Best of luck on your holidays. SonofJacob (talk) 13:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I still have a question though, if you have no counter-arguments regarding Chechili why would YOU reverse it?.. I think we have already reached consensus and I'm pretty sure there's plenty more of people to discuss this with but the reason of YOU reverting it is illegitimate to me. SonofJacob (talk) 19:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

wait... did you delete my text? I would love to hear reason why. SonofJacob (talk) 19:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Afd removal

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Information icon Hello, I'm SonofJacob. I noticed that you recently removed content from Zakarid Armenia without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.

First warning for deleting the Afd of Zakarid Armenia. SonofJacob (talk) 10:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

SonofJacob the AfD is closed, the result was keep, did you check the AfD discussion? I'll wait until the SPI results come before adressing you again. - Kevo327 (talk) 10:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Usually Afds last for 7 days :))) how was it closed? fellow compatriot did it? SonofJacob (talk) 10:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@SonofJacob: Usually, yes. Hence the "speedy" in "speedy keep", more information may be found at WP:NACAFD. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 10:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

without my arguments being answered? why were all of my arguments left unanswered? all of them! Having more people does not mean you are right. also there was only one or two people who wrote keep. But certainly I'm pretty sure there was one. answer my arguments back before DELETING AFD SonofJacob (talk) 10:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Having more people doesn't necessarily mean you are right, having more sources, in the view of Wikipedia, does. People were able to pull out sources for things you said could not be sourced. Additionally, there were four keep votes, no one or two. Even if there was disagreement about what the sources do say, that would never be a reason to all-out delete the article, without other factors. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 10:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

having more sources?? :)) Didn't I provide sources about how all of Armenia had been under the Georgian rule according to a whole history book made by Sulakauri? )) werent medieval historical chronicles pulled out in answer to the biased chronicles of random MODERN historians?)) Oh, sorry, I should've known that the medieval sources were Georgian and they must've been Georgian nationalists. Even the Mongol studies, calling all of Armenia "vilayet of Gurjistan" after conquering the land. They must be Georgian nationalists as well. SonofJacob (talk) 14:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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Gugark

Information icon Hello, I'm SonofJacob. I noticed that you recently removed content from Gugark without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.

Hello good friend of mine! I see you are back from your semi-break from Wikipedia.

I see you have misunderstood my point, in the article of Gugark You have reverted/deleted my information which was sourced. Let me make a citation of the page for you to understand what you did wrong and why:


Then, it became part of Satrapy of Armenia. In III century the territory was taken by Caucasian Iberia, but during Artaxias I's reign it was re-conquered. During the reign of the Artaxiad and Arshakuni kings of Armenia, Gugark was ruled by one of the kingdom's four bdeshkhs. The bdeshkh of Gugark was responsible for protecting the state's northern border. During of the 4th century, the region was ruled by members of a branch of the House of Mihran.[3]

In fact, I do see source at the end of the sentence. But a quick research that I've done, there is nothing about Satrapy of Armenia in the source cited to it, whereas as the other part of the sentence, the one which says: "During of the 4th century, the region was ruled by members of a branch of the House of Mihran.[3]" is true, because the study talks about only the second part of the sentence (about the royal house of Mihran).

Also, the title of the source is Toumanoff, Cyril. Introduction to Christian Caucasian History, II: States and Dynasties of the Formative Period. Tradition 17 (1961), p. 38.

Actually, looking at the sentence itself I knew it would say nothing about the Satrapy of Armenia anyway, since the following date is not linked to it since Christianity itself didn't exist at a time, While the whole "Satrapy of Armenia" time of period predates it for at least a 500 years.

Best regards, SonofJacob (talk) 18:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hi Kevo327. I just wanted to offer my unsolicited advice regarding Shusha. Firstly, it's not a competition to prove which side has the strongest/earliest history of the town. The process we're going through on the talk page is 1) examining the sources, 2) weighing up how strong each source is against WP:RS, and 3) determining the due weight of information across sources, to include in the lead. Secondly, if you're concerned earlier Armenian history is not being adequately represented – find sources for it and bring them to the talk page! The (now quite extensive) range of sources that have been brought up on the talk page simply don't mention/discuss the medieval history of an Armenian town or fortress. I can see a handful of Armenian sources regarding that gospel in the article body, but I'm unable to determine how reliable they are because there's not enough information provided and they're scans of Armenian print, so I can't machine translate them for a rough idea. Why don't you read them, provide a translation in the talk page discussion, and explain who the author is and why/how it has been reliably published? (The last point is the most important.) Jr8825Talk 20:06, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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Your speedy tagging

You appear to be looking for articles about Azerbaijani subjects and then tagging them for deletion, even if the articles have existed for a long time. This keeps coming up when I patrol CSD. I have declined several of them. You need to stop because it appears that you have an anti-Azerbaijani bias that is leeching into your edits. If you persist, you risk being blocked for POV editing.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23, I understand your concern about my CSD tag and I assure you I have no bias against any group. I mostly edit in Azerbaijani articles and sometimes find articles that I think have questionable notability. Articles made by socks or paid editors particularly annoy me (one of two articles I tagged today). I promise to only tag clear cut cases from now on, I'll also gladly accept any other advice you offer on the subject. - Kevo327 (talk) 18:54, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I have questions, too, Kevo327. You are mistagging CSD G5s. This speedy deletion criteria isn't for simply having multiple accounts but for ban evasion. That means that the sockmaster has to be blocked at the time of the page creation and the sockpuppet is avoiding a block. Discovering that the page creator is a sockpuppet doesn't mean that their page creations should be tagged for deletion, especially if other editors have worked on the articles, too. They have to be pages that were created after the sockmaster was blocked.
Please review this criteria at WP:G5 so you understand. To be honest, it's a criteria that many editors misunderstand and if you look at my user talk page, you'll find lots of discussions about it. You have to check block logs for both sockmaster and sockpuppet and check the SPI case report plus look at contributions by other editors to the page history. If other editors have made substantial contributions to the article, it should not be tagged for CSD G5 deletion.
Thank you for your efforts but deletion tagging has to be carefully done. Liz Read! Talk! 21:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Liz, I have to admit I didn't know that detail about G5, Looks like I need to re-read the criteria's and related supplements carefully, because by the looks of it I still haven't mastered it. Thank you for your patience. Do you mind me contacting you if I have questions about such policies or whatnot? - Kevo327 (talk) 08:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Despite the several advices by Bbb23 and Liz, you're still mistagging Azerbaijani articles, for example Azerbaijan Government CERT. Please don't tag for speedy deletion until you familiarize yourself with csd criteria. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 03:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Indian Ethnicities Speedy Deletion

I have noticed that you have kept some Indian ethnicity categories for "speedy deletion", though I created those categories to differentiate and help people find what the ethnicity of the person is from their Wikipedia article. I REQUEST for a repeal of your speedy deletions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GujaratiHistoryinDNA (talkcontribs) 06:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@GujaratiHistoryinDNA:, I think you have the wrong editor, I have never edited Indian ethnicity categories. - Kevo327 (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Removal of the image from my article

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You said: "Rmv synthetic personal image, so if I hold a flag of let's say.. NASA on Qasem Suleimanis grave, does that tie it to Iran?"— well, considering the group was founded on iranian soil, receives funding from Iran, is an iranian proxy militia, and Qasem Solaimani personally gave it its name, and the fact that i had a whole section dedicated to its ties with iran, i think the image was justified. Kelhuri (talk) 23:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

also forgot to mention their leader was best friends with solaimani Kelhuri (talk) 23:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Kelhuri I see the immediate ties, and I don't argue about them, but for me the image sees kind of out of place, especially since you tagged it as your own work. Personally I would replace it with an image of Sayed Qasem with an appropriate subtitle, that would make the article look more encyclopedic. I won't revert your edit if you will (or already have) added the image back. - Kevo327 (talk) 16:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
@Kelhuri: do you not want to continue discussing?. - Kevo327 (talk) 07:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
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i just logged back in man Kelhuri (talk) 19:48, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

"Paris of the East" article

I don't like Azerbaijan either, but Baku is known as the "Paris of the East" because of the high number of neoclassical buildings and to a much lesser extent Art Nouveau buildings in the city center that were build during the oil boom. It is an old nickname used for that city, not a new nickname used for touristical purposes. Armenians also contributed to this oil boom and architectural heritage in Baku, which used to be the most important city for Armenians in the world after Istanbul. Some of the other sources used for the cities in the "Paris of the East" article are travel blogs, hence the problem. There are Russian and Armenian non-travel sources, that describe Baku as the "Paris of the East", but I can't access Armenian websites, because every Armenian website that has the internet code .hy are blocked in Turkey, where I live. Since I don't know Armenian and Russian, I can only decipher via a machine translator. If you can find and add sources, that would be fine. 31.200.10.226 (talk) 10:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@31.200.10.226: It's not about hatred or disbelief, it's about sourcing appropriately. I wouldn't have reverted you if the source was verifiable. Sourcing such touristic peacockry titles can be difficult. - Kevo327 (talk) 08:34, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. Yes, blogs and other subpar websites are not suitable and credible sources for reference. Unfortunately, finding sources in the internet in Turkey is often difficult, because of censorship. More than 500,000 websites are blocked in Turkey and the list is steadily growing every day. For instance a website that is blocked in Turkey, if it is used as reference here in Wikipedia, will appear as a dead link. So they are literally invisible to us here. Wikipedia itself was blocked between 2017-2020 and may be blocked again. Hence why I even asked you for sources. 31.200.10.226 (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
31.200.10.226 is there a website that you know to be a valid source for this article? If you do please tell me and I'll add it myself, because whatever I found were blogs and other rubbish. As for the censorship, It's really tiring to have to deal with that, I also face similar issues here in Syria but on a smaller scale. - Kevo327 (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

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Revert

Dear Kevo,

Regarding your recent revert. First of all, you really do hate this article, don't you?) All edits which I made were in line with Wikipedia policies and my intention is to IMPROVE article. Do you consider the improvement of the article as hate? Secondly, both my edits, which you reverted, are justified, however, almost 2 weeks passed and I still did not get any valid justifications to the reason for the reverts. Reverts should be justified, especially if we talking about revert of edit, which was about removing material which is not in line with Wikipedia policies. Otherwise I is looks like WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT

This edit I in detail explained and supported on the Talk Page. There number of issues as not properly attributed statements from the WP:NEWSBLOG, one of the sources is a propaganda article written by the ANCA-WR community development coordinator and a number of WP:BLP issues.

This edit is very simple. None of the sources describes the hit of Ghazanchetsots Cathedral and Tigranakert as act of Anti-Armenian sentiment.

Kevo, I am ready to discuss here(or on the talk page) to hear your justifications for reverts.

Thanks,

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Arbitration


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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages. (T307341)
  • The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features. Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

Arbitration


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Administrators' newsletter – July 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2022).

Technical news

  • user_global_editcount is a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • The New Pages Patrol queue has around 10,000 articles to be reviewed. As all administrators have the patrol right, please consider helping out. The queue is here. For further information on the state of the project, see the latest NPP newsletter.

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).

Administrator changes

readded Valereee
removed Anthony Appleyard (deceased) • CapitalistroadsterSamsara

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
  • An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

Technical news

  • The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
  • Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

Miscellaneous

  • You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
  • Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
  • Tech tip: When revision-deleting on desktop, hold ⇧ Shift between clicking two checkboxes to select every box in that range.

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van der Leeuw

Hi, Kevo237. Can you help me understand why you removed citations in Vrezh with the reason "Cites van der Leeuw"? Is there something wrong with Charles van der Leeuw that I'm not aware of? — Golden call me maybe? 21:17, 28 August 2022 (UTC)