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August 2008

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Oh my god! This is wrong date. First June, then July. Understand?--Cybervoron (talk) 15:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

That attitude is worthy of a civility warning, so consider yourself warned. It appears that you have not attempted to learn how to contribute effectively before trying to edit, which only causes hassle and extra workload for established editors. Your interest in contributing to the project is very welcome, but it requires some learning first. For instance, did you notice that the above template is routinely issued for all edits that appear to be vandalism? Did you consider why your edit appeared to be vandalism? Incidentally, I have had to remove the malformed reference that you added. It is not necessary to replace it, but please take a moment to read about correct citation formats. Their templates are not essential, but their formats are. Adrian M. H. 11:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Request to move article USF1 (Formula One) incomplete

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Re: Nick Fry on Brawn GP

This do you? Cdhaptomos talk–contribs 23:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please write in the edit summary please and see WT:F1 on the flag situation. Chubbennaitor 16:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Flags

Before changing flags on any more F1-related pages, please see this at WT:F1. D.M.N. (talk) 09:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

MAKS 2009

Hello Cybervoron!

I want to state one question to you: From August 19th until August 23rd the MAKS Airshow takes place again in Zhukovsky, near Moscow. Do you have the time to go there in order to take a lot of photos? Would be unique contribution for Wikimedia. I hope your response is positive. Greets, High Contrast (talk) 18:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Table bloating

I invite you here to this discussion. --Falcadore (talk) 06:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistency

I am curious to know what my inconsistency is. --Falcadore (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for being a pain...

... but the references in your article 2010 GP3 Series season only says "Italiaracing.net can anticipate the 10 tipped operations", meaning that no official announcement has been made with regards to the teams competing, particularly as no other news sites have picked up on the story. Similarly, although it will be at all GP2 rounds except Turkey and Monaco, the GP2 calendar hasn't been announced either. For all we know there could be a standalone round in Timbuktu at the end of the season! I accept your eagerness to put this information on Wikipedia straight away, but you need to patient and wait for official announcements. Keep up the good work anyway. Thanks - mspete93 [talk] 11:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

European -> Valencian

Hi, see this first (Europe - Valencia). However, if the 2009 round is "Valencian", also 2008 is "Valencian"... and 2007, 2006 and 2005? I don't know :(. Fix Template:GP2Round --Francesco Betti Sorbelli (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that only 2006, 2007 and 2009 rounds are Valencian because in this result's archive 2008 round marked as European; 2006, 2007 and 2009 rounds marked as Valencian. Cybervoron (talk) 10:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, you are right :) --Francesco Betti Sorbelli (talk) 10:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Alexey Vasilyev (racing driver)

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GP2 country codes

Hi Cybervoron. There's a discussion taking place on the recent changes that you have made to various drivers' GP2 results tables.--Midgrid(talk) 21:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

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Testing

A question, why is testing so important that it justifies such a large table? While in March it may have been the only interesting thing to have happened in the series, it should be born in mind that these articles should be written towards how they should look at the end of the season. The important part of a motor racing season article is the races. Testing does not contribute significantly towards the results of the season. It's coverage in a season article should reflect its' importance. Two or three sentences should suffice for the whole of pre-season testing. --Falcadore (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Simply because information about the tests over time is difficult to find (try to find information on all the test leaders of the 2005 GP2 Series season), but here in wikipedia all in one article. And this information is fully relevant to the article of the season, albeit not as important as in Formula One. Cybervoron (talk) 20:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to create your own personal statistics database. WP:NOTSTATS. --Falcadore (talk) 20:30, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You had too one-sided look at these rules and I'm not saying that this should only me. Cybervoron (talk) 20:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary, there was a discussion recently on testing's inclusion in formula one articles, which embarrassingly I cannot find quickly, of which consensus was to reduce and de-tabulate testing coverage. --Falcadore (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Additionally other than saying it is 'fully relevant' you've not done much to demonstrate its notability. I does not contribute to points. It does not contribute to event qualifying, and while a good test may contribute to preparation prior to an event, so do technical changes at the factory, and fitness training of the drivers, neither of which get much coverage in season articles. Are testing times include in Olympic event coverage on wikipedia? --Falcadore (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Found it. --Falcadore (talk) 02:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewer

Hi Cybervoron, I just came across one of your articles at newpage patrol, and was surprised to see that an editor who has been contributing articles since 2008 hadn't already been approved as an wp:Autoreviewer. So I've taken the liberty of rectifying that. ϢereSpielChequers 00:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Cybervoron (talk) 04:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

List of Formula One fastlappers

Hi Cybervoron. Following a discussion at WP:F1, I have nominated List of Formula One fastlappers, which you created, for deletion. I invite you to participate in the deletion discussion. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 02:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Minor series results on driver articles

Please do not add these results tables for minor series to driver articles. They have far too many tables on them and are not needed. This info should be summarised in the text. Where is this precedent you talk about? Montoya only has F3000, CART, F1 and NASCAR - all major series. Thanks - mspete93 23:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't saw any rules that banned make selected series's tables. Fact that NASCAR is major for you personally, not fact that it major for others. Therefore, I request you not use this statement. P.S. Article about Paul di Resta is exactly precedent. Cybervoron (talk) 05:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't like NASCAR, but its factually the most popular motorsport in North America, with far more media interest than the Formula Palmer Audi Winter Series. The world does not revolve around single-seaters. Do not accuse ME of vandalism. I will be raising this immediately at WT:MOTOR, and you can see what other's opinions will be. Besides, di Resta does not have anything as obscure as FPA Winter series does he? And I didn't say we have 'rules', it's just called common sense. - mspete93 11:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Senseless destruction of other people's work is vandalism. Di Resta has Formula Renault UK record like Snegirev. OK, i remove only Winter series, don't touch main like Formula Palmer Audi, Formula Renault UK and British Formula Three series. Cybervoron (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

It is not senseless destruction. It is the imporovement of articles. Please see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. - mspete93 11:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I have already seen this. Special for you: "In cases where this may be necessary, (e.g. Nationwide opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2008), consider using tables to enhance the readability of lengthy data lists." Cybervoron (talk) 12:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

But as already discussed at WT:MOTOR, the question is whether the data is needed at all, in whatever format. - mspete93 22:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Revenge

I'll make this simple. If I see you editing any more articles with the reasoning of "You spit on my work, I'm spitting on yours", I will bring your actions and attitude up with an administrator. You are grossly out of line and your attitude of accusing others who touch articles you worked on as vandals will not be tolerated further. Your attitude does not in any way help WP:MOTOR or Wikipedia in general.

And no, I don't want to hear any excuses. You've been warned. The³5₉ (Talk) 04:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

• You will never see this reason, because now i won't explain my actions in detail, only text based on Wikipedia guideline. P.S. I'm not going to make excuses. Not to you or to others. Cybervoron (talk) 12:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I've already seen this reason so your intent is quite clear. You cannot take back the fact that you stated you were making these moves out of revenge. Even if you attempt to quote guidelines, your actions, including editing other people's votes in Deletion discussions (which you should never be doing, ever), is becoming WP:STALKING. Your sarcastic edit summaries and "I don't want to talk to you" but continuing to take pot shots at mspete are also of absolutely no help at all. Your intentions are quite clear even without you coming out and saying it. Back off. The³5₉ (Talk) 17:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I would like to stop wasting mine and others time with this. The truth is, as explained by others, you're actions are out of order. Until yesterday, I really appreciated the work that you put in here, but my attitude has now changed. I have had my hard work removed before, and because it was a consensus against me I was OK with that. You need to learn that if what you add to Wikipedia is not believed to be beneficial by the community, it might be removed. I will now let the powers that be take this further if they wish, but I don't want to hear this again. - mspete93 17:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

GP3 round reports

Just to say, before you spend time and effort on it, I don't think that reports for GP3 rounds will go down very well with people and will probably be deleted. Bear in mind it is a feeder series for a feeder series. Thanks - mspete93 09:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I was only warning you. I won't go to the effort of deleting it but don't blame me if it gets deleted having spent time on it. Also, I was about to add back in the other changes I reverted. I reverted it all for speed to make sure you didn't waste time creating it. Hope you understand - mspete93 09:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I reverted because in teams table was missing columns due to adding Turkish round. Please change only links not a style. Cybervoron (talk) 10:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Trust me, I was about to put them back in. I just didn't think you'd be very happy if I'd waited until you create the article before I get rid of them. It was quicker and easier for me to do a quick revert and then put the good changes back in. I should have mentioned it in my edit summary, sorry. - mspete93 10:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

That's OK. Keep up the hard work. :) - mspete93 10:31, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

2010 German Formula Three season

Hi, I think you should check the accuracy of the information you entered onto the standings. You certainly had Dusseldorp as 1st in race two, which is incorrect, and there may be other errors. Thanks. Officially Mr X (talk) 17:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

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Sergio Perez's birthplace

Hi, are you sure that Perez was born in Berlin? I did a Google search and have found several sources ([1], [2] [3]) that give his birthplace as Guadalajara in Mexico. I suspect that the information in your source may be some sort of administrative error or convenience.--Midgrid(talk) 18:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Lukoil-Sunred

Hi there Cybervoron. Don't worry, there's nothing wrong with your addition of the Lukoil-Sunred news. I've been looking at some other sources to try and find out more and I've come across this one, which says "Дочерняя команда Жоана Оруса, в которой выступит Дудукало, получит название Lukoil-SUNRED", which by using Google Translate I have found to mean something along the lines of "the subsidiary of Joan Orus's team...". If correct, this seems to suggest that it would just be the two-car 'team' of Tarquini and Dudukalo competing under the Lukoil-Sunred banner. Could you clarify this for me please? Many thanks - mspete93 21:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

F1 race updates

Hi Cybervoron, just wanted to make a quick request regarding editing of F1 articles post-race, specifically regarding the edit summaries. When you make an edit because of something that's happened in a race that's just passed, can you make the edit summary more generic. E.g. rather than "pole in Australia" like you added to Vettel's article, use something like "Qualifying AUS 2011"? That way, those that happen to have the pages on their watchlist, but get their F1 coverage delayed, don't accidentally find out the result before they watch the action. Thanks, AlexJ (talk) 10:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Red-link removals

Hi, I just wondered what your reasoning was behind removing all the red-links from various motorsport season articles? I am not convinced that this is an improvement. It probably makes no difference to the page but it just creates extra work later if a driver page is created and all the cases of his name appearing have to be re-linked. It strikes me as a task not really worth doing - if we link all the drivers from the start-off then there is less to do later, especially since there are just so many seasons pages and it can be difficult to keep track of absolutely all that needs to be looked after. Just felt like saying something - it's not a big issue though. Officially Mr X (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Although it is unlikely for a lot of drivers, and fair number will go on beyond Formula Three level to the point where they will be notable enough for an article. Also, I don't think no link looks any better than a red-link - I actually think if everything is linked then it makes the page look more consistent and neater. My point is that I see nothing to gain from removing links - I don't think it improves articles and I can see no harm in leaving red-links, regardless of what happens to the driver. It just seems like an unnecessary exercise to me. Although it is up to you, I do not recommend a widespread removal of red-links from articles, for the reasons that I have tried to illustrate. Officially Mr X (talk) 12:13, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Inadequate lead

Thank you for making the attempt to expand some of these articles. But just adding one sentence is not enough. Think about it like this, imagine yourself knowing absolutely nothing about motor racing and you stop by the season article. What will you need to know about the basics of a season article without clicking on any links to understand it. Also considering that the results matrix tables can jus t look like a mass of numbers to some. But thank you. --Falcadore (talk) 14:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Toyota Le Mans driver line-up

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97165

Article states pretty clearly that Caldarelli has been signed as a junior driver at the moment, and will only attend WEC races while doing simulator work. They haven't confirmed him as part of the driver crews for the WEC at the moment. ;) Vikirad (talk) 18:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Removing Red Links

I've noticed that you have been removing all the red links from articles related to the Star Mazda Championship. According to wikipedia guidelines at Wikipedia:Red link, this probably isn't a good idea. The reason is that if and when an article is created for one of these subjects, all the links will have to be found and re-added manually. Also, keeping red links helps wikipedia grow. I know that WikiProject Sports Car Racing generally avoids red links, however, this is against WP guidelines. Thanks. -Drdisque (talk) 18:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Removal of daggers

Hi, I noticed during your edits of List of Formula One Grand Prix winners and List of Formula One polesitters that you removed the daggers from the table. The daggers are required per WP:ACCESS, as a user that is colour-blind would not be able to understand what information is being conveyed without them. That is why they are required, I've have undone your edits as a result. NapHit (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

An award for you

Golden Wiki Award In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! 66.87.2.193 (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

VERVA Racing Team

Hello! I'm big fan motorsports come from Poland. VERVA Racing Team is polish team racing, go on polish article pl:VERVA Racing Team. Please reverse your edits. This team should be in aricle in VERVA Racing Team, can you write? Very please. Can you send me on my page discusion. Eurohunter (talk) 10:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Eurohunter (talk) 20:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In the future, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Far too many mistakes creeping in; remember to read all regulations and notes before posting results. Saves other users from correcting an endless sea of them. Regards. Craig(talk) 14:17, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiThanks

WikiThanks

You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this past month! 66.87.7.204 (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Stories Project

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I'm scouring user pages looking for inspiring, motivating and interesting stories of how Wikipedia has affected the lives of people. I'm asking questions like "How has Wikipedia changed your life?", "What's the most interesting story you have about Wikipedia?" and "Has Wikipedia ever surprised you?"

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[email protected]

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Спасибо за Ваше время,

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victorgrigas

[email protected]

Victor Grigas (talk) 23:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Alice Powell

It's nice to see you contributing to Wikipedia but why are some series 'not notable'? I'm sure a lot of people will be interested to see the full race record and there are other articles on Wikipedia with full results for series you consider to not be important. I don't understand how you have the privilege of deciding what is deemed important to an article and what isn't, could you please explain? Thank you. Robk23oxf (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Alice Powell

I've had a look around and I understand the point you and indeed others have made, it's still debatable though what is deemed a significant result though. A very minor series likes Formula Palmer Audi I agree isn't significant, but a series like Formula Renault and Formula BMW are probably equally significant to Formula 3 in that plenty of drivers have progressed from there into higher tier national and international championships. 18 out of the 24 drivers on the 2012 Formula 1 grid have been through either F-Renault, F-BMW or both.

I'll leave the Alice Powell article alone even though now there isn't much left of it but I'll continue to add just F-Renault or F-BMW results to other articles where they're available as it's the first and most important step into single seater car racing for European drivers especially. One of the Wikipedia editing articles you directed to me isn't exactly conclusive so unless it becomes a firm rule that Formula 3 is the lower limit for results records then I'll continue with adding the two entry level series I mention where it's deemed a significant step in the career of a driver, i.e. not a one off appearance but a full and successful campaign. I hope you might understand the point I'm making here. Robk23oxf (talk) 10:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:2012 GP2 Series season

Thank you for clarifying the scoring system and why the points table was like that. I was starting to get a bit confused! Bigdon(talk) 21:33, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:F1stat

Hi Cybervoron. Are you aware of the existence of Template:F1stat (as discussed here)? As one of the main updaters of List of Formula One driver records, do you think we should replace the values for current drivers in that article with the template? Or do you think it's easier to just continue updating the article manually after each qualifying/race? (Noting that even if we did use the template, there would still need to be some manual editing/checking to ensure the tables remain in the correct order). DH85868993 (talk) 14:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Robert Visoiu

Hi. It is Robert Vișoiu. Read the articles.

http://formula1.automarket.ro/stiri/gp3-vioiu-locul-5-45640.html

http://formula1.automarket.ro/stiri/robert-vioiu-locul-2-44202.html

http://jurnaluldearges.ro/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4211:robert-vioiu-visul-meu-e-s-devin-campion-mondial-de-formula-1&catid=4:actualitate&Itemid=5

http://forum.4tuning.ro/586-wrc-formula-1-sporturi-motor/318331-robert-visoiu-gp3.html

I am leaving. You do the reverts if you want. I've corrected his name on all the pages. I am right, that's Romanian diacritic mark. GL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kronaveter (talk • contribs) 19:35, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Formula_One#Test_and_Reserve_Drivers

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Russian Time

Hi Cybervoron,

As a native Russian speaker, I'm hoping you might be able to help me out in solving something of a mystery regarding the GP2 Series team Russian Time. The name has caused a bit of confusion in the English-speaking world because it's such an odd name for a racing team. The most popular theory at the moment is that it is a play on words, and that "Russian Time" is intended to play on "rushin' time", or moving quickly, which is something you would expect a racing car to do. That's a bit fine for me, so I have come up with my own theory: that there is a word in Russian that, when pronounced, sounds like the English word "time", but actually has a different meaning in Russian. However, not being a Russian speaker, I don't know what that word might be. Does such a word exsit, and if so, what does it actually mean? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 04:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps that direct translation - "Russian time has come and will immediately strive forward" - is the meaning of the name: that the time of the Russian racing driver (or team) has come. In the past decade or so, there have been dozens of Russian racing drivers emerging on the international scene. Just off the top of my head, there is Petrov, Aleshin, Sirotkin, Martsenko, Kvyat, Move, Suranovich, Afanaysiev, Dudukalo and Snegriev. And the category page (Category:Russian racing drivers) for Russian racing drivers has a dozen more. Even then, there are still plenty of others who appear on various season pages who don't have their own articles. So maybe that's the intended meaning: that "Russia's time is now". Prisonermonkeys (talk) 05:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

A lot of people have written the team off as being little more than a bunch of bankers instead of racers. But they've got Timo Rumpfkeil from Motopark Academy in a management role, and they're testing with Tom Dillmann and Luciano Bacheta this week. Dillmann and Bacheta are both excellent drivers, and it would be a major coup for Russian Time to get them racing full-time. To me, all of that suggests that they are quite serious about being a racing team and don't feel the pressure to take Russian drivers. It seems they want to establish for themselves a reputation as being a racing team so that when they do take a Russian driver (assuming they do), they'll be seen as a very strong team. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

2013 Toyota Racing Series‎

And what you've done to the Schedule table isn't complicated?

Second question - is the pole position and fastest lap significant to the schedule or the pointscore? Does it even meet notability to display it in this manner? Do poles and F-laps contribute to TRS points? Are Poles and FLaps stats tracked by anyone or has wikipedia invented it's notability? --Falcadore (talk) 09:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

An additional question - why have the fastest laps and pole positions in the matrix at all if we're going to retabulate it? --Falcadore (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

If it does not contribute to the points, then it is not by any definition a result. First is a result. DNF is a result. Fastest lap is not a result, it's a statistic. So it is not relevant to the calendar OR to the results. So it should be deleted.

Somewhat ironic considering you've just dumped some trivia from the main series page, but you are adding it to the season pages. --Falcadore (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Of course its a result. Points does not define a result. Points for a non-results like poles and FLaps might justify an exception. DNF says you did not finish the race and this defines the result of the driver for the race. Poles and F-Laps are addundum trivia to the result which is third or DNF or excluded.

Some series by the way you DO get points if you don't finish so that's an incorrect assumption of my logic, and incorrectly applied as well. --Falcadore (talk) 11:05, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure? Have you EVER seen fastest lap used as anything other than a footnote? - as in a throw away line at the end of reports, or as a pure statistic? Either would suggest a strong trivia angle. --Falcadore (talk) 07:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

My controversial suggestion? What is more important - 1st-2nd-3rd, or 1st, fastest lap and pole position? What gets more coverage in professional media? Why not pop over to some news websites and have a read of how they write stories? Do they put more emphassis on second place of fastest lap? Do they put more emphasis on who did not finish the race or who took pole position the previos day? Have a read of some news pieces and then tell me that de-emphsasing pole & f/lap is not a reflection of real world coverage. --Falcadore (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Seriously? What's your objection to redlinks? In 2-3 years time, a large amount of the drivers WILL be notable enough for articles, and there's nothing wrong with redlinks regardless. And as to the European F3 Open, all of those drivers are almost certainly notable now... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Date fixing images.

Hi, just noticed you date fixed the article 1994 British Touring Car Championship season. However you changed the date in the image name as well. Just thought I'd mention it so you look out for that one in future as the comment indicated your using a script. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 09:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:2013 F1 Drivers Standings

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Scott Pye

Just wondering why you deleted Scott Pyes British Formula 3 results box?--Kpaspery (talk) 01:48, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Formula Three is usually below the notability threshhold for detailing race-by-race. --Falcadore (talk) 09:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

According to?? If so, you better remove the results box from all drivers. There are plenty out there. Dan Wheldon has a U.S. F2000 National Championship which is below F3. How about we remove that??--Kpaspery (talk) 00:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea to me. Why do you think race-by-race tabulation is important in junior development categories? --Falcadore (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Because the top 5 drivers in British & European Formula 3 can apply for a super licence to race in Formula 1 making it a ligament feeder category like GP2, 3 & WSR.--Kpaspery (talk) 22:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Well then I suggest you take your objection to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport‎ and get the practice of not tabulating Formula 3 changed via consensus, as it was there the decision was made. --Falcadore (talk) 07:42, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

The consensus of 4 editors. Of course....--Kpaspery (talk) 00:32, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Then it should be easy. --Falcadore (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Craig

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I agree there likely exist better alternatives than the image I've been reverting to, but I don't know the history of the article's image gallery, so I will leave the decision of which alternative image to use in your hands. However, the problem with the "Daniel Craig 3, 2012.jpg" file is that it violates policy outlined in both WP:OI and WP:MUG -- images that are intended to present the subject in a disparaging light are strictly disallowed. Any edit that re-adds this particular image breaches Wikipedia policy and will be reverted. Trisha Borsagi (talk) 11:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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2015 Formula One Season

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GP2 and GP3 Series drivers

Just wanted to say thanks for your great work updating the infoboxes and career summaries of all those GP2 and GP3 drivers. Cheers. DH85868993 (talk) 11:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome! :) Cybervoron (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For your constant efforts to update junior single-seater motorsport articles :) Mark DG (talk) 22:33, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Cybervoron (talk) 05:49, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

British F3 Champions

I'm not convinced that there are grounds for splitting the List of British Formula Three champions from the main article. The British F3 page is simply not large enough to warrant the change - including the table it comes in at less than 30 KB, which is easily within the reasonable page size. Once you remove the technical specifications, which are arguably too detailed for Wikipedia, (and are in any case now no longer required as the article needs to be rewritten from a purely historical perspective) the page also has a fairly low word count. I think it would be best to merge List of British Formula Three champions back into British Formula Three Championship. QueenCake (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

German Formula Three Championship article not much larger than article about British Championship, but List of German Formula Three champions is also separated from the main article. It's a precedent that exists since June 2007. So, there is much more sense to improve article about BF3, than merge list into this article. Cybervoron (talk) 05:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Article names

You really don't need the words "FIA" or "Championship" in the names for individual season articles, as it is unnecessarily long, and abbreviations such as F3 should be spelt out, to avoid any ambiguity and to provide consistency with all other motorsport season articles. Please see WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. "XXXX European Formula Three (or 3, how it's stylised doesn't really matter) season is a perfectly adequate common name for that particular set of articles, regardless of how the series currently chooses to title itself. QueenCake (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Blanket removal of career stats tables

• I don't follow your logic that every single one of those isn't notable. Granted, I'm inclined to agree on something like the Ginetta Junior Championship, but I don't see how removing these tables is helpful for the senior championships that are notable - particularly when they reflect the highest levels that a notable driver has driven at - and you most certainly should not be describing it as "cleanup". I request you self-revert on most of these, because you seem to be doing this on your own whim, at too fast a rate and without thinking things through. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 12:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
• And certainly there are no grounds whatsoever for removing tables from drivers who have competed in high-level series on just one or two occasions. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 12:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

@Lukeno94, It's obvious, that one round can be covered in text, it doesn't need a table. In the most of cases, it is already covered by the "career summary" table. Also, I didn't see any opposes here. Cybervoron (talk) 12:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

• Firstly, the discussion had been open for just a couple of days, with only a couple of commenters, and RewF2012's comment is ambiguous enough to be interpreted either way. Regardless, there still remain two strong issues; one, you're removing things based on your own whims, and often without actually knowing anything about the series (Ginetta GT Supercup should be fine for having a results table, particularly for a driver whose notability stems from them competing in that series, one way or another), and two, you've never once alluded to any consensus; half the time, you're just calling it a "cleanup" - which is blatantly not a valid description. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
• Oh, and for goodness' sake, you should be following WP:BRD and not edit-warring everything out, as you are doing right now. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:02, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
• Finally, if you're going to remove tables for obviously notable series, like the BTCC (as you did here), please at least make sure that the driver in question isn't still competing in said series, and that the article isn't just out of date... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

NMotorsport

Should be pointed out that WP:NMotorsport applies specifically to people (via BLP). Not sure what to apply for racing series, possibly WP:CLUB. --Falcadore (talk) 09:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for correction.Cybervoron (talk) 09:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Flagicon in infoboxes

Hi Cybervoron, Thanks for cleaning up various F1 articles. However would like to mention that using the template {{flag|"X"|name="nationality"}} produces a wiki-link to the country in question, and according to WP:OLINK major geographical locations should not be linked to. Also drivers outside of F1/WSC/Le Mans should not have a flagicon as per discussion on my talk page. Thanks. Regards, Eagleash (talk) 14:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, @Eagleash. I read discussion on your talk page, but I still don't understand was reached consensus or not. If we had consensus for removing flagicons, so, please, show me the result of a public discussion and I will remove. Thanks. Cybervoron (talk) 19:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, there is an ongoing discussion, (of which I admit I've lost track slightly) regarding the use (at all) of flagicons in infoboxes. That's not the point I was wishing to make...I would like to see flagicons stay...and the discussion (with Bretonbanquet) via my talk page indicated that they should (at least for the time being) for F1 drivers but not for lesser formulae. However the template you wish to use creates a wiki-link to the country concerned which goes against WP:OLINK as I mentioned above. I would like to suggest just using the "flagicon|country" template with the nationality thereafter as :- British. Best regards, Eagleash (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for a clear explanation, I will reconfigure my AWB. Best wishes! Cybervoron (talk) 19:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Number column

It can be quite difficult to pick out individual results in the matrices if you're colour-blind like me. That's why we need intertextuality between the two matrices - it offers a little extra information that can make it easier to pick out results. Because the alternative is to swap the purple and blue backgrounds on every single results table, which is not an option. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@Prisonermonkeys, it's not an argument. You can already look at numbers in the Teams and drivers section, even if you are colour-blind. Cybervoron (talk) 06:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

As someone who is colour-blind, let me tell you that every little bit helps. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Even if we all had monochrome monitors. It wouldn't be a reason to add numbers to this table. Cybervoron (talk) 07:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a non argument—how would we be able to include the markup for colours if nobody could see colours?

The overwhelming attitude of the Wikiproject of late has emphasised making articles and tables easy to read for everyone, provided that doing do does not make the article or table unreadable for the majority. Now, you may not appreciate the idea that the number column makes the table easier to read for people with colour-blindness, but as someone who is colour-blind, I can tell you from direct experience that the column does make it easier to read. Seeing as how it doesn't break the matrix for you, your ruling that it is unnecessary is both completely arbitrary and the polar opposite of the Wikiproject's approach. So if you want to delete it, you will need a consensus. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

The table is easier to read when it's not overflowed with an unsuitable stuff like this. Also you need to prove a consensus for keeping numbers in this table. Even if we will remove background colours, numbers will remain pointless here. Cybervoron (talk) 07:28, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Pos.	Nat.	Driver	AUS	MAL	BHR	CHN	ESP	MON	CAN	AUT	GBR	GER	HUN	BEL	ITA	SIN	JPN	RUS	USA	BRA	ABU‡	Points
1		Lewis Hamilton	Ret	1	1	1	1	2	Ret	2	1	3	3	Ret	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	384
2		Nico Rosberg	1	2	2	2	2	1	2	1	Ret	1	4	2	2	Ret	2	2	2	1	14	317
3		Daniel Ricciardo	DSQ	Ret	4	4	3	3	1	8	3	6	1	1	5	3	4	7	3	Ret	4	238
4		Valtteri Bottas	5	8	8	7	5	Ret	7	3	2	2	8	3	4	11	6	3	5	10	3	186

Pos.	Nat.	Driver	No.	AUS	MAL	BHR	CHN	ESP	MON	CAN	AUT	GBR	GER	HUN	BEL	ITA	SIN	JPN	RUS	USA	BRA	ABU‡	Points
1		Lewis Hamilton	44	Ret	1	1	1	1	2	Ret	2	1	3	3	Ret	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	384
2		Nico Rosberg	6	1	2	2	2	2	1	2	1	Ret	1	4	2	2	Ret	2	2	2	1	14	317
3		Daniel Ricciardo	3	DSQ	Ret	4	4	3	3	1	8	3	6	1	1	5	3	4	7	3	Ret	4	238
4		Valtteri Bottas	77	5	8	8	7	5	Ret	7	3	2	2	8	3	4	11	6	3	5	10	3	186

Again with the strawman arguments - we're not going to remove the colours, so what are you hoping to prove that the addition of the column does nothing in a table without colours? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:36, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, if it's possible to show how it see colour-blind people, please create the example of the table, it will help me to understand. Cybervoron (talk) 07:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, put it like this: drivers who don't score points have a blue background, and drivers who retire have purple. Currently, these colours are so similar that people with red/blue colour-blindness will have an extremely difficult time distinguishing between them, even with the black lettering. I'm red/green colour-blind and I have a hard enough time as is. So imagine if you couldn't pick the individual results out—that's what it's like.

The extra column helps because it allows colour-blind users a point of reference between the two tables. Because the constructor results are paired together, the individual rows are in a different order to the driver results. The number makes it easier to establish a relationship between the two tables, which in turn makes it easier to pick out those individual results. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:13, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I understand your problem, but it's a great argument to change backgrounds, not to adding extra column in a table where it will be excessive. In the majority of other motorsport articles, (i.e. 1950 Formula One season, 2014 IndyCar Series season, etc) it wouldn't help if you add an extra column with numbers. Cybervoron (talk) 11:39, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Ideally, we could change the colours, maybe making the blue lighter and/or the purple darker—but it's a huge job. Every motorsports article using results tables would need to be changed. The number column would at least be a temporary fix. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)May I kindly suggest to the discuss this on the WikiProject instead of dissing this out between the two of you? Tvx1 03:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Odd tables

If there is no explanation of what the terminology means, how is it useful? Timeline? Timeline of what? There is nothing to indicate that it describes the motor racing series the team has competed it. Do you talk to people in tables? More plain language please, it is not an unreasonable request. --Falcadore (talk) 16:50, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I clicked on one of the links, the German F3 link, and there is nothing in the linked article about the Kodewa team. You are expecting readers to understand what F3ES is without any form explanation as to what it might be. It's a four letter code, which may have come off the barcode on your cellphone as far as anyone else is aware.

RGEx45.

You know what that means? I do. But how can you interpret what I've just said to you without assistance? --Falcadore (talk) 17:00, 16 June 2015 (UTC)