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HNY

Happy New Year, Boing! 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:39, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

And to you too, and anyone else watching. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Cake.

	Cake!
	Have some princess cake, and get well soon! bonadea contributions talk 22:12, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Wuhan Institute of Virology

Hi Boing! Are you an "involved editor" at Wuhan Institute of Virology (I've just been looking at the Talk page discussion and following up on the detail). Thanks, Arcturus (talk) 23:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Arcturus: I'm not WP:INVOLVED, but I'm not really able to act in an admin capacity at the moment due to illness. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Need some help finding a "copied from a public domain source"-template

I am working on fixing up a historical biography-article with some serious sourcing and MOS issues - it has content lifted straight from a public domain source (book published in 1850) + an extensive quote from a historical source, etc.
Gawd help me re: the public domain sourcing but I CANNOT find the appropriate template/source template saying "This content is from [public domain source with publication date, etc]". I was thinking of something along the lines of the EB1911 Templates (using content taken from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica) but I can't find a generic template for public domain sources anywhere around here. I've been looking and looking with no real success - doing various searches on WP, heh even asked Google for a WP-answer - so I thought I'd ask you. Help! Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

CoVID-19 and urgent BLP issue

Hi Boing, an article was recently created about a private (i.e., not a public figure) living person who has been the target of an evidence-free conspiracy on Chinese social media. If this isn't disallowed by WP:BLP, I don't know what is. I don't even want to link to the article, in order to avoid bringing yet more attention to a malicious conspiracy theory targeting a private individual, but if you look at my contribution history, you'll find it very quickly. Could you take a look? Thanks, -Thucydides411 (talk) 10:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I know the one you mean, as I was alerted to it elsewhere. I don't think it fits any of the Speedy Deletion criteria (which are deliberately strictly defined), and I don't have time to look into it any further with any urgency, sorry. The usual avenue would be AFD, I think, but if you want to minimise its exposure, there may be other admins currently active who could help. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure libelous material is meant to be deleted right away, and possibly oversighted to boot. I don't think bringing it to a wider noticeboard is the right thing to do. -Thucydides411 (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not in a position to judge whether it is libelous, and it does not appear to have accused the subject of actively doing anything wrong. But I'm far from being an expert in libel, and I don't have time to look at this in any detail (as I'm busy doing my paid work right now). So, sorry, but all I can really suggest is that you seek an admin who has more immediate free time. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

A bit of help here

Could you please immediately block David Pahoraro Alternative and revoke TPA? It's Evlekis again. Pahunkat (talk) 09:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pahunkat: I've indef blocked with TPA disabled, and deleted all the attack pages they created. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, creating attack pages in others' userspace is typical Evlekis behaviour. I'll open a request at SRG now :-) Pahunkat (talk) 09:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's quite sad really. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Just wanted to say...

Thank you for your explanation at ANI, Boing - it is very much appreciated. Please forgive my inquisitiveness and attempts to sort things out in my mind but there is a method to what some may misconstrue as my madness. As you are well aware (which includes other editors/admins who have been here long enough), these issues tend to crop up again and again in future discussions. With the latter in mind, I want to have things properly sorted out in my mind so that my responses are supported by facts, not just opinions. I'm of the mind that every issue, big or small, that might crop-up unexpectedly or deliberately requires a defense/offense/explanation based on deductive reasoning, diffs and straight-up facts. I meant everything I said about my respect for you, and want to make sure that you know my comments in that discussion were not meant as "criticism" of you, but rather they were intended for my own understanding. You came through with a common sense response, which is what I expected of you, and I sincerely appreciate your patience and understanding. Your work as an admin is greatly appreciated...at least by this editor! Happy editing! Atsme 💬 📧 19:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, thanks for your kind words again :-) And don't worry, I know you well enough to know it was just a genuine query (and I don't actually mind even if people do criticize, as it happens). Anyway, always happy to explain what I'm doing - it's a tough medium to understand each other if we're not prepared to do that. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Have a snack

A snack for your tea

Very sorry to hear you got the virus, Boing. Did you know RexxS had it a while back? I'm not sure he's fully recovered, either. It's all about resting, I gather. Have a little snack and feel better soon! Bishonen | tålk 21:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC).

• (I just noticed the one with a fried egg on, at the top. You must tell me what it's like. Bishonen | tålk 21:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC).)

Get well soon! If you need anything, let me know and I can chat - remember Brian Dodds & Sue are not far away if you need someone local. When I got it, I had fever and coughing fits for two or three days, then it was just tiredness and I slept a good 12 hours a day for about six weeks. I'm more or less back to normal now, but it's a slow process, so please take it easy. If you get difficulty in breathing, phone 111 and don't be afraid to do so, as it's better to be safe. We'll get a chance to meet up in person later this year, so I'll look forward to that. All the best, --RexxS (talk) 22:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks folks. I've just had a week pretty much exactly like that. The last couple of days I've had the occasional brighter spell when I get a few things done around the house, but that quickly tires me out and I'm soon back in bed. I'm fine for help, with family and friends in the street - no shortage of people on the phone asking if I need anything. Breathing is fine, and I'm keeping a check on oxygen levels too - sometimes a bit lower than normal, but nothing to worry about. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you are unwell, Boing. I hope you will be on the road to recovery soon. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

• I don't know much about what's going on these days since I retired, but I'm relieved to know that you are on the mend. We have been very lucky here in Thailand, but cases are now appearing due to it being brought over recently by a bunch of illegal immigrants crossing a jungle border from Burma, and domestic travel here is at a standstill. Now that my last surviving close relative (my Mum) passed away a couple of weeks ago, I have no reason to visit Malvern again, and I doubt that I shall ever return to the UK any time soon - if ever at all. Stay well. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I've never worked with you closely but seeing your name turn up on a discussion always brings me relief. So sorry you have the nasty Covid. It can have a second kick so rest is good so it can't sneak up on you again, ninja that it is. Best wishes for feeling great soon. Littleolive oil (talk) 20:30, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Littleolive oil: Thanks. I did have a bit of a second kick this week, with a couple of days of weakness and breathlessness, but nothing serious - I keep my eye on oxygen levels with one of these, and I'm a lot better today. Oh, and I've just had a negative test, so I'm at least clear of the virus now. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Good. Since you're feeling better I guess I won't help myself to your snacks! Littleolive oil (talk) 21:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hehe, I'm sure there'll be one left for you. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Flowcode

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Flowcode again --Guy Macon (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Question about topic ban

Hello, Boing!,

I have a question about your topic ban of ScrupulousScribe. You amended the topic ban to allow discussion on AN, ANI & SPI, specifically, but I assumed that meant that the editor could participate in discussions that touched on his topic ban in those venues where he was the subject of a complaint and needed to explain himself or his editing decisions. Does this change also cover noticeboards in general, like RSN, specifically, this very involved discussion about the COVID-19 lab leak theory? It seems like this is exactly the type of discussion that he should stay clear of that he was posting to today. I am not the type of admin who is into monitoring editors' behavior but it seems like this editor is pretty single-minded in this editing choices and keeps returning to this subject matter in articles, drafts and discussion boards.

I hope you are feeling better these days. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:11, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: Thanks, I seem to be swinging between feeling great and then struggling to stay awake. Anyway, yes, allowing RSN discussion was not what I intended. But after a chat with ScrupulousScribe, I've lifted the ban now. I'll explain more at their talk page when I have the energy for it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Get well soon!

Very sorry to hear that you seem to have the covid, and I wish you a full and complete recovery. When you're feeling better, I'd appreciate your thoughts on RationalWiki since I've just joined. Take care and all the best, Miniapolis 23:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Feel better soon! —valereee (talk) 15:15, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Right now I'm in bed with what feels like the worst flu I've had in years, and I just want to sleep most of the time. But on the upside, I can use cake for medicinal purposes, to keep a check on my sense of taste ;-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Good wishes for health, sleep and recovery. Take in as many or few pics as you like from my card. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, those don't look much like cakes :-) Still, nettle soup, mmm - roll on Spring. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:40, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

All the cakes you'll ever need are your greetings when you visit Bish, ever-changing each visit. For the full load, visit Floq. I admire how you keep your sense of humour! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah yes, a whole store of cakey goodness there. As for humour, I can't put it better than Holly from Red Dwarf: "As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a Godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh." Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

see my editnotice, a laugh from 2012 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today of a pic I took --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Shame on me, Boing - I just now saw this thread. My youngest daughter & her husband had it, yet none of the kids caught it, and they relayed to me that it wasn't as bad as the flu they caught in prior years. On the other hand, I lost an elderly friend of 40 years to it, but he had underlying conditions, and another friend is in the hospital now about to go into surgery. Keep us posted - I worried constantly about RexxS and now I'm equally concernced about Berean Hunter who hasn't been heard from in months. It's a scary time!! I would be happy to add some humor to all of this, but right now, I'm much too worried. Don't be surprised if I come back in a day or two in an attempt to cheer you up - or maybe sooner. Atsme 💬 📧 20:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Atsme: Most important thing first - Berean Hunter is fine, see here. Secondly, I think I'm fine too. I was ill for a couple of weeks, with the first week especially rough. I have had a couple of days this week when I slipped back a bit and got quite a bit breathless, but I have one of these clever gadgets and my oxygen has been a bit low but good enough. Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend - there aren't many people who haven't been affected, directly or indirectly, some way. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Just some sugar-free medicine: Vision pictured (not by me), with Arik Brauer in the news, so art in Vienna twice --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Do Something

So you're reverting my erasing of an editor's bullying and doing nothing about it as an admin? Feynstein (talk) 14:40, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

That's right - I've made my suggestions on how you might proceed at your talk page. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:43, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring at WIV

Seems like the editor you blocked just a few day ago hasn't got the memo about WP:3RR or edit-warring in general, if I can link to this... Should I make a thread at ANI and get an uninvolved admin or is this a clear enough "resuming disruptive behaviour immediately after the expiry of a previous block for the same disruptive behaviour"? RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:22, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@RandomCanadian: Sorry, but my availability is very intermittent right now, so I'm trying to avoid admin action as I might not be around for any responses. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Need a page move

Hi! I need Octavian Popescu (footballer, born 2002) to be moved to Octavian Popescu. Please help me, thanks! --End-of-season-updates (talk) 18:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

@End-of-season-updates: Sorry, but my availability is very intermittent right now, so I'm not doing anything that needs admin privileges as I might not be around for any responses. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:44, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

A7 decline / G4 nom

Hi Boing, I was distressed to learn upon arriving here that you'd contracted COVID - hope you are fully recovered, or on your way towards it, now?

The reason I came here seems vanishingly trivial in comparison, but now that I'm here... Frank Howard Swart. It was nominated for speedy A7 last year, which you declined on the grounds that the discography represented a SIGNIF claim - perfectly reasonable, I agree it's not an A7. However, a few days ago I noticed that it is a near-identical copy of Frank Swart, which was deleted following a deletion discussion, recreated, and deleted again (G4) - this seems to be a recreation at a new title, presumably to avoid scrutiny. Oh yeah, and it's an autobio (see the talk page). Rather than delete myself, I tagged it with G4, but it's been a few days and nobody has acted on it - I'm guessing that's because they see your earlier decline. I wondered whether you would be willing to review and either delete, if you agree with my assessment, or otherwise decline my tag? I'll toddle over to AfD if that's what you think should happen, I have reviewed the sources and am convinced that GNG/NMUSIC aren't met. Cheers, and best wishes for your recovery, GirthSummit _(blether) 20:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Girth Summit: With very limited time here I'm keeping away from admin stuff for now. I suggest you just go with your own judgment and speedy it if you think G4 is applicable. It can always be undeleted later if there's a problem. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Looks like SQL already deleted it actually, so it's all sorted. Hope you're keeping well. Cheers GirthSummit _(blether) 12:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello there ...

Just wanted to drop by and say hi, and send you some good wishes. "Hi" (not sure how to depict 'good wishes' - but I'm a doing it. :-)) Hope you had a great holiday season, and hope 2021 is better for everyone. — Ched (talk) 22:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ched: Nice to hear from you - I've been bad at replying to people recently due to illness, but all seems well now. Hope things are good with you. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:46, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey Boing - really really glad to hear you're feeling better. I was aware of the issues from an off-wiki source, but didn't read above my post, hence my lack of specifics. Anyway - cheers! and as always - wishing you the best. — Ched (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Also saying hi, and best wishes. I'll miss your admin services, but bother Hammersoft now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Very glad to hear you are recovered, Boing! I guess there must be a few COVID user boxes by now?! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm still having occasional days when I feel extremely tired, but they're getting further apart and I'm feeling a lot better in between. And I've had my first Covid vaccination now! Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:33, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

I 'ear they may be about 600,000 Astra Zeneca shots, from Germany, going cheap, if you're interested. mate. Arthur Daley 123 (talk) 11:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Ha, and just a few weeks after the EU was threatening to sue AstraZeneca for not delivering enough. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:51, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

TPA

Sorry for the delay, I post here as I think it wouldn't be wise to pursue at the editor's talk page and I have no intention to add anything there at current time. I didn't spend much time looking for it but WP:TPA indeed doesn't support what I wrote. I know from experience that TPA typically gets removed for WP:SOAPBOXING instead of filing unblock requests (and I've seen admin write that TPA was a privilege to file unblock requests before, like WP editing is a privilege) so I advised believing it to be standard practice. It's of course up for admins (not me) to determine when soapboxing or disruption happens. Maybe relevant could be that SS actively recruited other people who might still be reading the page. Long posts accusing other editors also didn't seem constructive. What you wrote is also very relevant, that you don't need to participate in the debate (and shouldn't, to act as an uninvolved admin)... Feel free to reply, I always learn and think it's constructive. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 02:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: Yes, it seems it's a common misconception (among a lot of admins too) that blocked users are only allowed to make unblock requests. And yes, I agree, the point at which talk page misuse occurs has to be judged on an individual basis - and I've revoked TPA a fair few times myself for it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:36, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 03:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Guess who's back?

Yep that's me Flasty Jam (talk) 22:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back, I hope things go well for you this time. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

RexxS

I do hope RexxS is ok. Dunno why you needed to remove your comment. It's the kind of thing that got me desysoped, but they can't do that to you! 😉 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, I only removed that one because I'd put it in the wrong place and it effectively duplicated what had already been said. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

When am I allowed to have an opinion?

This ranges farther afield from the issues on the case page which is why I hope you'll forgive me for bringing it up here. I don't want to continue/re-litigate the thing with Joe. However, I do wonder when people think the right time is for an arb (in this case me) to form an opinion about the right outcome to the case. Like I have an opinion given evidence presented at the case request about what outcome I might think appropriate. For instance, by the time I voted to accept the Kurds case I suspected we'd need to end up with DS based on the diffs that had been posted but I didn't have an opinion about the appropriate remedy towards editors (and indeed in the case of the site ban we handed out, was unsure even after the PD began about whether I supported that). Was I wrong to have DS in mind throughout the case? Or is the bigger idea, which is what I try to do, to be open to a variety of outcomes and be prepared to change my mind as new evidence comes in? If I'm really not supposed to form opinions until all evidence is presented, then I will basically need wait for the evidence phase to end before I read. Which means I wouldn't have posed my question which led to evidence I found helpful and which at least a couple editors have noted they appreciated. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: I've been thinking about how to reply, but I'm not in a mood for getting sucked in to it all (and I've taken it all off my watchlist now). I'll just say I don't have any complaint about your approach or your question. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

uninformed

It is my professional opinion and nursing judgment that you had the right word the first time. Cheers, --Deepfriedokra (talk) 23:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: Hehe, I thought so too, but as it's a kid... As an aside, I didn't realise you're a nurse through all of this - my respect has gone up by an order of magnitude. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 23:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Advice, please

Hi! How should (I / the community) handle User:Juliet2112? This seems to be a single-purpose account, but WP:SPA is just an essay. I think the purpose is disruptive, but others may disagree. Maybe all this user needs is some tactful guidance, but I'm none too good at that. Philip Trueman (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I am sorry if I am being disruptive. All I am trying to do on here is make the language used in some of the posts more humanising as I am passionate about challenging the dehumanising langauge and attitudes around Black people. Thanks Juliet2112 (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I understand, but please read WP:NPOV. We are all required to use neutral language in articles. This isn't optional. If the article aims to challenge people's attitudes then it isn't neutral, is it? Well done for trying to engage constructively, though. Philip Trueman (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi folks, you're both talking about it now, which is the way to go. If you need any help with how to do things here, Juliet2112, there are some helpful folks hanging out at the Teahouse. You'd be welcome to ask me, but I'm only here for very short spells these days and most likely won't be around to help. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Modest flowers

Thank you for what you said for RexxS - I think your evaluation was the best because the shortest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Today: an article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude, with a long way from the start in 2006 to the Main page today ;) - It was my song of shrugging an arb verdict off, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandal

I don't usually tattle-tail but I wanted to bring this edit to your attention since you specifically warned him. I reverted it. MartinezMD (talk) 05:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, but I've retired from admin these days and I no longer help look after Covid-19 articles. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:55, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha, sorry for the interruption. MartinezMD (talk) 16:57, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

June

thinking of you in June, decorated with St. John wort and a rainbow, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you, in case you ever look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Even if you're far away from Wikipedia, I will still remember you. Although I haven't spoken to you much (or barely even a lot), I still thank you for all of your contributions to Wikipedia: administrative actions, reverts, discussions/collaborations with others, all of it. Stay safe, and have a good rest of the day! Tfess up?or down? 20:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

remembered with thanks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hope you are well

Hello Boing! said Zebedee! I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to let you know that I added you to Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians. If you ever come back, or choose not to have your name on this list, just let me know. Hope you come back, even just to check in, Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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