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Re: Logo size change[edit]

Hi Ed--this edit to {{signpost-subscription}} makes it so the logo is awkwardly obstructed by the [hide] link. Could you scale it down a bit? Theopolisme (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note! Does that look better now? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Much, thanks for your speedy reply and resolution :) Theopolisme (talk) 21:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
You're very welcome! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: WikiCup[edit]

Thanks Ed for your reply. Don't worry, I understand you're busy with other things as well, so there's no need to rush. The delay actually turned out to be a good thing, as I found three more questionable DYKs on top of the 3 I mentioned earlier (Roholte Church, Wildlife of Haiti and Emilio Boggio). The new borderline DYKs are Birthplace of Simón Bolívar ([1]), Protected areas of Namibia and Coffee production in Venezuela. Provided these 6 are ruled to not be "significant work" DYKs, he would have now submitted a total of 10 ineligible DYKs for the WIkiCup. This demonstrates that these submissions of his are not one-off accidents or submissions due to ignorance of the rules — they appear to be an intentional and systematic attempt to undermine the integrity of the WikiCup. I think appropriate action should now be taken, since it seems he now qualifies as a "persistently problematic user." —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

We are emailing about it right now. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into the situation – I really appreciate it! In the meantime, he's just submitted his latest fake DYK—Palacio de las Academias. 11 and counting. I'm getting pretty fed up with his deceitful antics. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Another one – Tomb of King Tongmyong. When are you guys going to start docking his points for ineligible DYKs? —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Calm please, I'm emailing J Milburn right now, and we will be scrutinizing the submissions. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I've been very calm and patient. How's the scrutinizing going? —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
We are going to be removing the articles before the end of the round. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Ed for your assistance in this matter! :) Unfortunately, he just added back one of the ineligible DYKs you had deleted. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, we're talking about it off-wiki as well. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

A question[edit]

Hey Ed, I stumbled on ARA Almirante Brown (1880) (actually while reading your Argentine-Chilean article), and I've been trying to beat it into shape. The service history is, at present, fairly light, but I wondered if you might be able to fill in some details from Scheina and such, given that this is your area of expertise. Between the two of us, we might be able to hammer this into a decent GA. Whaddayathink?

As a side note, do you know anything about Argentine copyright law? I have no clue whether the tag on the image currently in the article is valid. Parsecboy (talk) 17:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and while digging through Google Books, I came across Conflict in the Southern Cone, which might be useful for your Argentine-Chilean article. Parsecboy (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
I can look at Scheina and a couple other books, but unless I get to it tonight, I'm going to be offline tonight and tomorrow, and then the Signpost will be on Wednesday. Argentine copyright is simultaneously awesome and frustrating. If you can prove it was taken more than 25 years ago and published more than 20 years ago, you're fine in Argentina. However, because Wikipedia's and Commons' servers are in the US, we then have the ridiculous URAA, which in this scenario basically changes that to taken before 1971 and published before 1976. So the problem with the image in the article right now is that we have no idea if or where it was published before. I think the only option we have is to troll through ancient magazines to determine the copyright status of better-quality internet images, put those that old rarely had images. We can also ask User:Cambalachero if he knows of anything that could help... so, he's now pinged here. :-)
Random sources I've found: [2] (also here), interesting notes about cost, thought sunk, effect of steel vs. iron, "better to avoid than to fight an enemy", and a searchlight as a comet?.
Re: Southern Cone, I'd seen it in Google Books but wasn't able to read much, so I put it in a "Further reading" section in the Argentine-Chilean article. Someday when I have money I'll go and buy it. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
(Small) picture from Jane's 1902: [3] Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Most of those sources you found are already in the article - I trawled through Google Books and that's what I could find. Good catch on the images from Jane's - both the photo and the linedrawing are added to the article now.
Take your time on Scheina, I'm in no particular hurry :) Parsecboy (talk) 15:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah sorry, I should have given it more than a quick glance! I'll get back to it later this week. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I added two sentences—that's all Scheina has, unfortunately, and Conway's 1860-05 has nothing, so go ahead and nom it for GA. I'll keep an eye on it, but I'm not taking credit. :-) I may be able to add a bit more from English's Armed Forces of Latin America and/or Grant's Rulers, Guns, and Money, but the former wouldn't have much, and this ship is mostly outside of the latter's time period. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Sounds fine to me. If that's all Scheina has, that's all he has. It's up at GAN now - we'll see how long it takes to get a nibble. Parsecboy (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Signpost Discussion report[edit]

Since Armbrust is enthusiastically helping with the FC report, I've boldly volunteered to lead the discussion report. I set it up in a way that I think will be easy for me to maintain. I'm planning to change the image each week. What do you think? The report is done except for copyedit for this week. --Pine✉ 07:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

That's brilliant, Pine. Thank you! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Vinícius18[edit]

Its time to block this guy - I have tried to communicate with them but to no avail. They starting adding pics again and in the process ignored the notes. Dont have time to deal with kids like this....get them out of here if they dont have the capability of communicating or understanding.Moxy (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks like Basalisk has gotten to it first. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 June 2013[edit]

Thanks for the quick corrections! What you do is awesome :) --Kip (talk) 09:29, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Thanks[edit]

I thought it was a test to see if I read the Signpost. :) -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 23:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Checking in...[edit]

Hey there, Ed! Just me. Hope you are doing well. I just wanted to touch bases with you and let you know that your work with the Signpost does not go unnoticed. Your work is appreciated. For the most part, I think Wikipedia editors spend time focusing their efforts on vandals and negativity. Which is certainly needed at times. Yet, I would venture to say that some of the hardest workers on Wikipedia are found in the woodwork. Much like bookshelves in a library support volumes and volumes of books and written materials, there are editors on Wikipedia, that hold up the project, much in the same way. In my opinion, you are one of these editors. Sadly, we oftentimes neglect to recognize or express our appreciation for consistency and dedication. I hope to bypass any inkling of my own personal complacency or neglect in this area. If you have a chance, I encourage you to take some time out to find an editor in the woodwork and pass on some appreciation of your own for their work. Pay it forward. Best regards, Cindy(talk) 00:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Ed, I also can't stress how much your devotion to this virtual paper is appreciated. The Signpost is always one of the highlights of my week--no matter how late it is ;) Theopolisme (talk) 00:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cindy and Theo! Thank you both for the kind words. I can't take much credit, though—I wouldn't be editing anything if I didn't have other editors working with and beside me. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

email[edit]

Sorry, but my Wikipedia email isn't opening for some reason. I need to change to a gmail account. Serendipodous 10:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I've changed my email. Serendipodous 14:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah, no worries! I'll resend it in about five minutes. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure what's going on but it didn't appear on my inbox. Serendipodous 04:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I was forced to walk away for longer than I anticipated—you should have it now! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Signpost[edit]

Hello, I'm Theonesean. Since I renewed my WikiFervor some months ago (note to self: write essay about WikiFervor), I have been an avid reader of the Signpost. I've always wanted to write for it, as I consider myself a fairly good writer. However, every time I visit the newsroom, I'm at a loss as to what I can do. I would be willing to do a comic as described in the discussion, I avidly follow ArbCom reports, and can generally write anything if need be. Please contact me with more information. Thanks, TheOneSean [ U | T | C ] 16:42, 8 June 2013 (UTC) (P.S. Please leave me Talkback if you reply here)

Ed, I too enjoy the Signpost, and learn from it as well. Thanks for all the work you do. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Cullen! Much appreciated. Please feel free to leave feedback on anything anytime. Sean, all of our sections have editors at the moment, but that doesn't mean you can't help out somewhere. Let me talk to a couple quick before I give you a definitive answer. Thanks! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:Signpost-subscription[edit]

Was there discussion before the links to newsroom and the single page version were removed from Template:Signpost-subscription? RJFJR (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

No, there was not. Is that really controversial? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I used the links that were removed and was surprised but it doesn't seem to bother anyone else so I'll just leave links on my user page. Thanks. RJFJR (talk) 13:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
My apologies. I can re-add the single-page template, but I removed the newsrrom one as it isn't important compared to what I added. Regards, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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Drmies thread[edit]

You closed that thread on his Talk, then he continued adding insults there, while telling me not to respond. (That seem fair in your book? What was the function of "closing" that thread, if he ignored the close?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 02:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

It's his talk page; he gets to do with it what he wants... Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Your closing the thread was just a suggestion then, I assume you would agree. You told him to go ahead and revert your close, presumably if he wanted to make further comment. Well you saw what he did -- he didn't revert your close, yet made further insulting comments, and accusations against me, that were purely ad hominem. Then deleted my reply, with a "Fuck off" edit sum. (That kind of behavior, from an Admin, got your deep-down & honest respect?! [You needn't answer; I'm not challenging you about anything, I think your close was a good effort; my point is Drmies disrespected it. {So how does his "Thank u" to you have any context? Gee I'm confused!}]) After a display like he made, IMO his behavior is a disgrace to all Admins. (How are regular editors supposed to have respect when Admins act like that?! They can't, if they're paying attention.) Thanks for letting me voice my thoughts here, again, I think your close attempt was a respectful gesture (not offending anyone). Good for you. (It was clear Drmies wouldn't be facing my Q even in an earthquake or tsunami. So there was no point to letting it continue. He had only insults to spew.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Cantankerous[edit]

Just to let you know, I reverted your edits to Cantankerous. Wikipedia isn't Wiktionary; because it has a primary Wikipedia topic it should be redirected there. I'll add a Wiktionary hatnote to the top of MC Kinky regarding it. However, if you can find another notable usage of it it can be turned into a disambiguation page.--Launchballer 23:03, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

First, there's no mention of this stage name in the reference given. Second, I highly doubt that many people searching for "cantankerous" are really going to be looking for a relatively obscure British musical artist versus the meaning of the word itself. Still, I don't care enough as long as the hatnote is there. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Signpost[edit]

Andreas and I have thrown together a section for this week. We should be OK for your edit. Thanks -- Ben (Go Phightins! 01:07, 13 June 2013 (UTC))

I'll check it now—thanks for the note! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic[edit]

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Armstrong Whitworth Launch Cards[edit]

I have now uploaded five pieces including two De Lacy signed pieces to Commons. A role has also been played in creating Charles de Lacy.Minas Geraes is included so is Eidsvold. I have also made an Excel table for the contents of Tyne Wear archives 450/1, the Admiral's bound volume of launch cards from Elswick. Along the way, that shows 12 De Lacy images and a total of 33 vessels. I may try to get some of this into my own blog. If you would like to see the Excel table I need to know some way to get it to you.TWAMWIR (talk) 11:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I saw De Lacy's Minas Geraes pictures—I've already added them to the article. :-) I will email you through Wikipedia's Special:Emailuser function so that you have my email, and I'd be happy to work with you in getting these valuable images into articles! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I have now published the raw data through the medium of my blog. This means all the information about 450/1 is there but not as an excel table. I am happy to share the table by email to you and anyone else.TWAMWIR (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that works just as well! I don't know how much time you have left as a Wikipedian-in-Residence, but I could certainly get most, if not all, of the articles created for the images of South American ships if that's what Tyne and Wear would want. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:08, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Two things. More uploads of launch ephemera at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/TWAMWIR . The score there is nine uploads from Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums 450/1. 10 images in all, one has two. Six by De Lacy. We are nearly out of time over here. It is also the case there is yet more De Lacy pieces in Archives. In particular a study of reference 696. In that 696/7/15 is the launch card (different format to 450/1) for Chinese Chao Ho October 23rd 1911. Inside are TWO more Charles de Lacy pieces, Elswick 1911 and the warship. Versions of Elswick 1911 are "out there" because it has been used for the cover of Armstrong's River Empire. The second matter concerns edits on Charles de Lacy. If you look at the talk you will see I am trying to avoid any stress over the table I have transcribed for 450/1. It seems to me this is a most basic and useful document. There is no thesis or contention. I am up for bright ideas to make sure editors are able to use this information. Although my formal time is nearly up, I shall probably be able to keep chatting here and monitor the areas we worked in. TWAMWIR (talk) 11:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! It looks like the reverting editor there has converted the table to a wikitable for you, which may be the best-case scenario. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 15:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
We mutually agreed that this was the solution so we went and did it. Hopefully it will stick. Now here was a surprise to me and hopefully to you. Click on this and look for Minas Geraes!. That is how the cover is captioned inside with Superb forward. This is item 696/7/15 being reproduced. The whole item is reproduced in various places in the book. TWAMWIR (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
That sounds great, and I actually can't read that (I'm in the US) but I found out what it is from your other edits—very cool! I assume that it was painted in early 1909. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia Highlights from May 2013[edit]

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The Signpost: 12 June 2013[edit]

WW2InfoBox[edit]

Could you please remove the off-topic slander on the Talk:WW2InfoBox. It's unconscionable that an off-topic slander of another editor is left on a talk page in a closed discussion with a "do not modify" tag applied. UrbanNerd (talk) 23:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Ed, there's a section on my talk page as well. I read one of today's DYKs, Gun harmonisation--interesting stuff. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the note, Drmies -- I came to the same conclusion as you. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 June 2013[edit]

Ed, I've belatedly added the Israel story to the ITM header. (Forgot to do that at the time, sorry.) Andreas JN466 04:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Jayen! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanking Jarry[edit]

I gave a Signpost barnstar to Jarry. Will you sign it with me? User talk:Jarry1250#Signpost barnstar. Thanks, --Pine✉ 06:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Of course. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion[edit]

With the various concerns about editor retention on people's minds these days, it "may" be interesting for the signpost to interview m:User:Magister Mathematicae. - jc37 17:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

    • Hey Jc. I'm not sure if we'll individually interview him for a full-length article, but I'll keep the name in mind, as I'm sure we'll be doing something related to editor retention at some point. :-) Thanks! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

OMT op-ed[edit]

Hi mate, Tom doesn't seem to have been around for a few days so will ask you: is "Anchors Away" deliberate? I understood that the correct term/spelling is "Anchors Aweigh" so thought I'd check... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

TPS, you're correct on the spelling.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 07:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Tks Storm! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Whoa, sorry, I missed this post in the sea of newsletters. Thanks for taking care of this, Sturmvogel! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013[edit]

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Re: WikiCup (cont'd)[edit]

A recent discussion at DYK appears to come to the consensus that the Crime in <country> articles – submitted by this same WikiCup competitor in question – only skim the surface of the topic and thus, violate DYKAR rule D7 (specifically, "Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected"). He's had Crime in Burma promoted and submitted for WC points, before the discussion began. In addition to DYK rules, this also seems to fall under "intentionally submitting subpar articles with the aim of getting more WikiCup points" – what do you think? —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

He's also added this GAR, even though he hasn't completed the review – a contravention of the rules. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Here seems like a suitable place for a centralised discussion. I am not going to remove Crime in Burma- regardless of what the DYK guidelines now say, this was featured on the MP, and doesn't seem obviously abusive. It's not perfect, but, if it (was) good enough for DYK, it seems like it's good enough for us. The GAR, though, I have removed. J Milburn (talk) 09:26, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks J for your swift response regarding the GAR. For the DYK, I respect your judgment on that, but I think getting an article haphazardly passed doesn't mean it was/is good enough for DYK. This was based on community consensus, not guidelines. Two perfect examples would be Crime in Cambodia and Crime in Vietnam. These articles were given a pass as being "good enough for DYK" by two very experienced users, until they were flagged for being substandard due to consensus. This demonstrates that the only reason why he got away with the Burma article is because no one bothered to take a closer look at it. I'm perfectly fine with him keeping his DYK credit; just not fine with him submitting subpar DYKs for the WikiCup.
Also, in my opinion, his DYK nominations on crime that have repeatedly been flagged (specifically, Crime in Sri Lanka, Crime in Cuba, Crime in Yemen and Crime in the Philippines) shouldn't just be brushed aside as not "seem[ing] obviously abusive". The worst "beyond reasonable doubt" sign of abuse was in Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in Indonesia, where he copied off Crisco 1492's work without attribution, before advising him to "just ignore the copied parts" and count that as part of the 5× when asked to correct the issue. Coupled with the removal of 14 DYK articles he claimed due to lack of significant work (which inflated his point totals by 122 points), how can this possibly not be abuse? —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:25, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I take your point. I'm pretty busy today, so I won't be able to give this matter the attention it warrants for a little while. J Milburn (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Don't worry. Take your time; we've got till Friday (when the round ends) to discuss this. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:19, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the note, Bloom. I've actually been sporadically commenting on the issues with DYK as a process, and would therefore probably take a harder line than J. ;-) That's why we have multiple judges, though. J and I will talk it over in private and make a decision. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
No problem Ed. Thanks you both for your efforts in addressing this. In the meantime, he's just added another questionable DYK. His contributions [4][5] involve adding minimal prose (4 sentences) and a table (which doesn't count towards DYK at all). Given that this DYK scored 10 points (meaning 5,120+ characters required), he's basically taking credit for minimal contribution to the article. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

To provide a third opinion if it's warranted, this seems like precisely what the cup has been trying to avoid, making slews of articles just big enough or meaty enough to make as many points as possible. To be honest I think disqualifying him is a no-brainer, given the fact that his recent DYK nominations are even stubbier (1506 bytes, 1516 bytes, etc.), but it's up to you guys of course. Wizardman 21:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

If Bonkers advances at my expense when the round ends tomorrow, please list me as "Withdrawn" instead of eliminated. I'd rather bow out on my own accord than lose (by the smallest of margins) to this fraudulent cheat. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
He's resorted to his same antics of adding back an ineligible DYK. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
He emailed me about it—I removed it by mistake. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh, so he's been emailing you guys about this issue. Interesting; I wonder what he's got to hide, given that I've been completely open and transparent throughout this discussion. Also, I'm surprised he still hasn't been disqualified. I suggested that in the earlier thread, and now a neutral, third-party admin who I've not talked to this year says the same thing. Even if he's to be eliminated from this round, he should still be disqualified in order to make an example to all other WikiCup competitors and send out a clear message – that this kind of behavior is not only unacceptable, it's against the spirit of the rules. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps he wished to avoid comment from others on the issue. Regardless, I've removed an ineligible ITN submission, and neither of you will be getting into the next round (the cutoff is at 321). Regards, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Transparency note: I was not aware of this thread. So there. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Rather than assuming good faith since this is my first time in the Cup, you exhaust all your efforts to dig out all the "fraudulent" entries. So this thing has no longer become fun; we have essay-writing tattlers here. I've got nothing to hide. See you next year. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:40, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

To be fair, we tried multiple times to get you to understand what we wanted in submitted articles, which has led you, your poolmates, and the judges to become extremely frustrated. I'm out of ways to explain what we are looking for. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:45, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
@BTC: Hey, this is my first time in the Cup too. Other than assuming good faith, I also assumed you would've read the rules, especially now that we're in Round 3. So unfortunately, your argument doesn't really wash. And I'm guessing your version of "fun" is for me to ignore all your ineligible entires and watch you advance to the next round at the expense of other competitors who've actually put in hard work. Right? Nah, I prefer honesty, fairness and accountability, but according to you, that makes me a "tattler." —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:18, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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