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June 2019

Date Section Article Notes Resolved
9 June 2019 DYK The Immaculate Conception of Los Venerables The year 1813 (noted in the hook) is apparently specifically inline referenced to ref 1, but I can't see any sign of it there, so part of the hook (and article) is unreferenced. Yes
OTD Mormon handcart pioneers "Legacy" section now somewhat littered with unreferenced claims.
Replaced with Simon de Colines. —howcheng {chat} 17:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
William Jennings Bryan No geographical context at all, suggest just adding "US" in front of President to nail it. Yes
8 June 2019 DYK Me! At least a dozen bare URLs, each one contrary to the DYK rules on passing and promotion.
It also has a reference with the highly encyclopedic title of "So... @kelseymontagueart helped me pull off the best surprise clue reveal today in Nashville!! Thank you to everyone who showed up, I've never been more proud of your FBI level detective skills. Next clue: I'll be joining the magnificent @robinrobertsgma for a chat tonight on ABC live from Nashville 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕"  — Amakuru (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
OTD Battle of Antioch (218) Very weird to link the "legions" after "Syrian" to Roman legion, especially as "Syria" doesn't appear in that article even once.
Rewrote as "Led by the inexperienced Gannys, the legions of Elagabalus ..." —howcheng {chat} 16:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
Punched card According to the article, this appeared to happen in 1889, not 1887.
You're right but I think the month in the article is wrong too. I added a note to the talk page a while ago. Needs to be replaced? JennyOz (talk) 12:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Most definitely.
Deleted and replaced with Battle of Trois-Rivières. —howcheng {chat} 16:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
USS Liberty incident Article lead and infobox say 171 injured, not "at least 173". Yes
2009 imprisonment of American journalists by North Korea If we're not linking terms like "patent" or "arrest", I'm not convinced at all we need to link common terms like "pardon". Yes
George I Rákóczi Inadequate lead
Expanded. —howcheng {chat} 16:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
Irina Lăzăreanu Inadequate lead.
Expanded. —howcheng {chat} 16:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
7 June 2019 General Main page balance About four to five lines of whitespace under DYK throwing the main page out of whack -1 OTD
DYK Mária Kráľovičová "Selected filmography" selected by whom? According to what criteria? And mostly unreferenced. Nope
Joel Moskowitz I imagine 99.5% of the readers of this website know what is meant by California, it most obviously does not need to be linked. And aren't lawsuits normally "brought", i.e. "that a lawsuit brought by Joel Moskowitz"? Yes
Revolution of 1719 I think it much more likely that our US-centric audience would need to have "Lords Proprietors" linked in preference to "South Carolina", come on. Yes
Chen Fahu Citation error (see ref 14) Yes
OTD Battle of Messines (1917) "ammonal mines" is a sea of blue, and mine is easter eggy. Yes
Blind Faith It would be appropriate to call this lot a "supergroup" (per the article) which would reinforce why their only UK date was notable enough for inclusion here. Yes
Louise Erdrich Award section is poorly referenced, this is a BLP! Yes
6 June 2019 DYK Halca Target article has been moved so bold link now points at a redirect.
I wonder if that was a good move, though. Halca could be a game (Halma), a plant, a poem, whatever. Who would guess a person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
Dadia Forest The hook isn't reflected in the article. It says in the article that it's the only forest with those four species in it.
The article says "The black, bearded, Egyptian and griffon vultures are all found here; Dadia is the only forest in Europe where this happens." the hook says "is the only European forest in which four species of vulture can be found". These statements are not equivalent. The first is saying that four specific vulture species are found in this forest and it's the only forest in Europe where these specific four species can be found in one forest. The second statement is saying that exactly four species (of unspecified type) are found in the forest.
Changed to "in which the four native European species of vulture can be found". Black Kite (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
That's great. But the article itself still doesn't say that. If you're an expert and happen to know those four species equate to all the European species of vulture, then that's fine. But I'm not, so the hook and the article are still not in equivalence. And I'm not even convinced the source says what the article says either.
Actually, there are six (I just checked, though two are rare). So, um, yeah. Black Kite (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Double check: there are actually those four, the other two are rare migrants and don't breed in Europe. So, technically, the hook is correct... Black Kite (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
But the article doesn't say that. It just lists four species of vulture. As is clear from this discussion, it's not apparent to our readers that these four species are the only native species of vulture to Europe. It's a mess and shouldn't have been passed.
Added the fact that they are the four native European vultures (with a cite) to the article. Black Kite (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess if that was the point, it should have been picked up during review. It wasn't. No surprises. But at least we fixed the fuck up before it got to the main page. Cheers for your help.
 Yes
Smin Bayan Raw URLs means this should never have been passed/promoted as directly contrary to DYK rules.\
They have been removed by another user.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
Lydia Manley Henry Croix de Guerre should be in italics like our article. Yes
OTD Battle of Novara (1513) Not seeing where the date is verifiable. Yes
Robert Stirling Lead too short, quite embarrassing for such a prominent man. Replaced
5 June 2019 OTD June Rebellion One section badly under-referenced, and other cn's
Refs added. —howcheng {chat} 17:14, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
HIV/AIDS Really no need to link a term like "homosexual", it's pretty well understood and a basic term in English. Yes
2009 Peruvian political crisis Not seeing the 65 days mentioned in the ref, plus do we need "straight" in there? I don't think so, I think it is safe to assume that those 65 days would be considered "straight" without using such vernacular. Yes
4 June 2019 General Main page balance Three to four lines of whitespace below DYK sending the main page off balance. Yes
DYK Joe Kryczka I don't believe there is justification for two fair use images essentially depicting the same thing: him as a judge. Only one should be allowed. Yes
Don't I Know You? Seems very odd to use the term "queer" (without linking) when it's not used one single time in entire target article.
OK, link to LGBT. The article mentions LGBT+, which is a subhead under the latter article. Yoninah (talk) 17:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Well as you know, I can't "link to " anything, so you'll need to do that yourself.
 Yes
Lees of Scotland Really quite absurd. The link is an Easter egg link for starters. Then, the bar itself wasn't an experiment, it was the result of an experiment of adding coconut. Then we really don't care that a confectionery company experimented while making new products, do we? It even looks like the Macaroon bar is so non-notable that even its sales aren't mentioned and it doesn't have its own article (e.g. Mars (chocolate bar), Jaffa Cakes, Kit Kat). This is a cheap attempt at a DYK whose target isn't actually the subject of the hook. Nope
OTD Ruhollah Khomeini Any reason why (1989) (i.e. the year he died) isn't after this observance? Yes
Old St Paul's Cathedral "Notable burials" section is (a) {{famous}} and (b) unreferenced. Replaced
German submarine U-505 "warship" appears not to be used at all in the article other than in one reference title. The "War of 1812" appears to be not used at all in the article. Yes
Eduard Mörike Lead wholly inadequate and tagged. Replaced Expanded
Marguerite Patten Ditto. Replaced Expanded
3 June 2019 DYK General Queue empty once again Yes
List of burials at Nikolskoe Cemetery "was buried", so he's not buried there any more? Yes
James Bruce Lockhart Why is this person being referred to by his surname only? It's not like he's well known or anything, right? Plus the lead is too short.
Because there was a discussion Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 157#Template:Did you know nominations/James Bruce Lockhart --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Morning Gerda. That discussion seems to suggest that the nominator dug their heels in and refused the full name, but actually in the discussion they said "If someone wishes to expand this one, be my guest, but I'm not sure anything useful is achieved". So seems like a storm in a teacup. I've expanded to the full name, because that's what the MOS says to do on the first reference to a person. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Morning Amakuru. I didn't want to criticise, only answer the question "Why?". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, the fact that it's established practice to refer to people as <FirstName> <LastName> should be sufficient IMHO. Consistency in style, especially on the main page, is a good thing to aim for. And bear in mind that this hook set also contains links to Tyla Hanks and János Gerendi. Why refer to one BLP with a surname and not the others? But if I had to come up with reasons I'd say it's because it creates confusion. There are only a very few people whose surnames stand alone, e.g. Obama, Gladstone, Beethoven, Churchill. And it's established Wikipedia practice that we only ever use a single mononym for people if they have that sort of notability level. Someone who's heard of some other Lockhart but not this one, and who doesn't click the link, might even be misled into believing a false fact about a different Lockhart. I know DYK likes to go off-piste a bit in generating quirky and different hooks, but it is still ultimately subject to the same conventions as elsewhere on the Wiki. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 12:16, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
Sommen I know some of these are a primitive "work in progress" but does anyone read the whole thing? I mean, what is "depth is 60 m.(although deeper places are found every year). , With its 147 meters above sea level ..., with a visibility of 8–10, if conditions are good.... And that's just in the (FIVE-PARA) lead...

The entire prose seems to be machine translated. PATHETIC approval; will be attempting an copy-edit. Winged Blades of Godric

Yeah, a shocker that. All tidied up now, I think. Black Kite (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Shambolic pass, shambolic promotion. Dreadful stuff. Thanks for putting in the effort required to drag this up to some basic standard everyone.
 Yes
Military geology Op Sea Lion was the planned invasion of the UK, not "Britain". Plus "invasions of" should be in the pipe, otherwise the three links are Easter eggs. Yes
János Gerendi Really badly phrased, because unless you know that "eating blood" etc was an Old Testament rule, these two claims are unrelated. It would be more appropriate to say something like "that while János Gerendi did not observe all Old Testament laws, he did refrain from eating blood ..." Nope
Temple of Hera, Mon Repos It wasn't decorated "by" terracotta figures, it was decorated "with" terracotta figures. Unless those terracotta figures were on some kind of interior design contract. Cheap labour perhaps. Yes
OTD Uganda Martyrs No verifiable source in this specific article that their Feast Day is celebrated OTD. Yes
Queen's Official Birthday Claim in the pertinent section of the article isn't referenced. Subsequent reference doesn't mention "first Monday in June".
Extra cite (from NZ Govt) added. Black Kite (talk) 17:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
Jack Jouett The term "midnight ride" does not appear in the article, so why are we using it? Should we stick to encyclopedic language, i.e. describe it as a 40-mile ride (with unit conversion, of course...!)? Yes
Great auk "specimens pictured" is a bit of a stretch when it's a painting. Perhaps "specimens depicted". Yes
1950 French Annapurna expedition "peak" should be inside the pipe, the target is about peaks over 8,000m in height. Yes
Melbourne–Evans collision More importantly than cutting the boat in two, it killed 74 sailors... Should be noted. Yes
2 June 2019 DYK Nancy Pelosi Not sure why we're making the hook less encyclopedic, it's the first time since 1955, not (hand-wavingly) "the 1950s". This is an encyclopedia folks. Yes
Barlow Trecothick He isn't the Lord Mayor of London. He was the Lord Mayor of London in 1770. The hook is false. Yes
St. John's Episcopal Church, Georgetown Hook needs a comma after D.C. Yes
Ruth Hesse An unreferenced section, shouldn't have been promoted per basic DYK rules.
Look again please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 Yes
The Inch, Edinburgh Where is the hook referenced? Oh, and the only reference I did find said it was 2.5 miles, not 2. Bravissimo!
Is that source (www.scottish-places.info) even consider a RS? Current ref 3 says "The Inch is located beyond Cameron Toll, bisected by Gilmerton Road, 2½ miles south southeast of the city"... come on, let's get serious about these refs please.
WOW, this one was just allowed to remain? With inconsistent and unreliable sources, ALL DAY?
 Nope
OTD Death of Benno Ohnesorg The piped link should include "was killed" as the target is not the bio, but an article on his death. Sort of
1 June 2019 DYK Astilbe chinensis Source verifying the hook is dead (to me).
The hook has two parts, the meaning of Astilbe and the comments of the RHS. The first seems cited to a live link, and the second is a book. What is the issue here? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
Ref 3 doesn't work for me.
Weird, it works fine for me. Perhaps the Missouri Botanical Garden doesn't get past the Great Lego Firewall.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:16, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm back now. That's what's so odd...
 Nope
Samra (rapper) It's not a "feminine Arabic pseudonym", it's a "women's Arabic name". Plus lead is far too short. And 10 out of 10 for "encyclopedic writing" here: in which he dissed 187 Strassenbande, causing a stir. Might as well be The Beano, rather than the world's most popular encyclopedia! Nope
WPWA What the bejesus are "call letters"? Link please. Yes
Captain I think this hook completely misses the point: the PM lauded its supposed qualities, while every last mofo under the sun called it a pile of shite. That should be reflected here.

Sigh. That was a wo

 Nope
OTD Scotch whisky Too much unreferenced material. Plus, this "first mention" doesn't appear explicitly noted here. Replaced
Glorious First of June If you're going to link the French First Republic, then at least have the decency to link the Kingdom of Great Britain. Yes
Attack on Sydney Harbour Sea of blue in the blurb. And it wasn't "a failed attack", it seems to have been a number of failed attacks. Nope
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