User:Boleyn/Archive 37

2018 Terengganu F.C. II season

Sorry for late response. References been added into that page. Thanks.

Ah yes

I have tried to move that Page to just Palaeotriakis. Glad you noticed.

Proposed deletion of Louise Thompson (TV personality)

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I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm masterdeking. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Owerre, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

masterdeking (talk) 04:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

George Klosko

Hi. I did some changes to Klosko's draft. Would you please check it out and see if it's good enough to send it back to the mainspace? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiphili (talk • contribs) 10:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Wikiphili. At the moment it needs categories and still reads like it is written by someone promoting him. It also only has two sources, both WP:PRIMARY SOURCES; without multiple independent sources it is unclear that it meets the notability criteria. Thanks for your work on this, Boleyn (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

The iron fist of MOS:DAB

Hi, you're probably too annoyed with me at the moment to take this on board, but I just wanted to remind you that MOS:DAB has a dedicated section reiterating the general principle of IAR – probably the only guideline that has deemed that necessary, and that's for good reason! – see MOS:DAB#When to break Wikipedia rules. Here's a quote from it: However, for every style recommendation above, there may be pages in which a good reason exists to use another way; so ignore these guidelines if doing so will be more helpful to readers than following them. – Uanfala (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Uanfala, directing readers who are looking for a term to pages which don't mention them is not helpful, it's wasting their time and confusing them. Boleyn (talk) 17:31, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

When the dab entry itself defines the term, then there's little room for confusion: for the case of Draft:Mankri, the Burmese title is more or less synonymous with the topic of the article, and the entry for the village points to the higher-level administrative unit of which it is a part of, which at the very least gives readers the rough location. The only people that can get confused here are the die-hard members of our disambiguation wikiproject. – Uanfala (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

You're confusing Google with a disambiguation page, which is an index of information on Wikipedia. Boleyn (talk) 18:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Uanfala, Boleyn is absolutely right about the limitations imposed on disambiguation pages. A disambiguation page is basically an index telling readers, here is where you can find content on this term in Wikipedia. WP:DABMENTION requires that an article at least mention the ambiguous term to be included on the disambiguation page. If a term is "more or less synonymous with the topic of the article" then it should be easy to find sources supporting this, and to use those sources to add content to the article indicating this usage. Then it will qualify for inclusion. bd2412 T 01:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Of course, if there weren't sources, why would anyone add an entry to the dab page? That's beside the point. And btw, if your intention was to ping me, it didn't work: you need to link to the user page, not the user talk page of the user you're pinging. – Uanfala (talk) 01:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Either way, the obvious solution is to add the sourced information to the target article before adding it to the disambiguation page. bd2412 T 04:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Not always. It might be straightforward to add to a dab page a sourced mention to the effect that "X is a name for Y", but it's not always clear how that could fit into the article for Y. Is X the only alternative name for it? Why should it be mentioned and not the others? For most topics, I don't have the time or competence to develop a proper and decently contextualised section on that, and simply adding a single little piece of information does not always make the article better – articles aren't just a collection of facts that a random bunch of wikipedians have picked out of the internet. Anyway, the nuances of DABMENTION do come up now and then in discussions on the project talk pages, and I have shared some further thoughts at User talk:Uanfala/Archive 4#MOS:DABMENTION. – Uanfala (talk) 10:30, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Draftifying

Sorry to be bothering you gain, but I've noticed that you move a fair number of new articles into the draft namespace as unsourced, some of which – like Draft:Willi Kimmritz and Draft:Arwed Imiela – do have sources, they're simply listed in the bibliography at the end. You know, there's no requirement for an article's sources to be cited inline. One article – Draft:2019 in Estonia – doesn't need to have sources at all, as it's an index to other articles, and all its content would be sourced in them. Also, when draftifying in this context, there's generally a requirement to notify the authors: see Wikipedia:Drafts#Requirements for page movers (apologies if you do notify them and I've simply missed that). – Uanfala (talk) 19:43, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

You haven't 'noticed', you've deliberately trawled through my contributions trying to find something to object to, because I disagreed with you editing an article clearly against the consensus-agreed guidelines. Disambiguation pages are indexes to other articles, pages like 2019 in Estonia are articles and need refs the same as any other article. A section saying 'Literature' is not clearly a list of references, it is often a list of books about a topic, but doesn't make it clear if it is the source for the article. That is particularly concerning when it is labelling someone a rapist, someone who died within recent memory and may well have family - we need to be sourcing correctly and clearly. A quick glance at the creator's talk page would show numerous attempts to communicate with the author. Boleyn (talk) 19:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you're taking that the wrong way, but yes, I did have a look at your move log for the last two days. When I notice someone doing something I disagree with, I do occasionally tend to look at their contribs in case this is part of a pattern (especially, if – as in this case – I have seen similar actions in the past). And I don't want to go into kettle and pot territory, but you seem to have done the same here: you've somehow ended up making edits to all the dab pages I've created today. But that's alright!

Anyway, back on the topic: if a section is called "Literature" then this usually the same meaning as "Bibliography" and it's undestood to be the list of sources, otherwise it would be called "further reading" or something like that. This is especially so if the article has been translated from German, where "Literatur" is a common way of labelling the list of sources (see de:Wikipedia:Formatvorlage/Musterartikel). I see your concerns about labelling someone a rapist, but the label more or less appears in the title of the referenced book about him. – Uanfala (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

'Literature' may seem clear to you, but isn't clear generally. I ma y have edited dabs you've created today - that's because I monitor the New Page Patrol and review articles, and especially look out for dabs, as that's the area I know best. And as for looking through an editor's contributions for something to object to because they have kept to the guidelines, and painting them as being extreme for it ('iron fist', 'die hard members of the disambiguation Wikiproject'), well, that's awful. Boleyn (talk) 05:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Sorry if my comment is out of tune with current practice – I don't do NPP – but WP:DRAFTIFY says: Other editors (including the author of the page) have a right to object to moving the page, and to have the matter discussed at WP:AfD. If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and list at AfD. At Draft:Willi Kimmritz your initial draftification has been objected to and reverted, but you nevertheless proceed to draftify again two times. I don't see problems with either sourcing (inline references are not a requirement) or notablity (he has been the subject of a book-length treatment and a feature film). Would you mind reverting your draftification and sending the article to AfD if you still have any concerns? Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

The concerns are not about the notability but about the lack of clear sources. I have communicated with the creator and they will rectify the problem in draftspace - it's all in hand. Listing it at AfD would not make sense. I am not the only editor who has felt this is better in draftspace for now and moved it there, but you have repeatedly edit warred on this. The only reason you are looking at the article, is because I edited a page in accordance with guidelines, and you have now been wikistalking me for several days, going far back in my contributions trying to find somethig to object to. I find it hard to strongly value the opinion of someone behaving like thi. Please stop harassing me. Boleyn (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. The article has a one-item bibliography (which is as clear a source as any), and again – there's no requirement for an article's sources to be specifically cited in-line. Yes, the user has agreed to add them, but that shouldn't be presented as a precondition for their article to be moved back to mainspace.

Yes, I did have a look at a dozen or so of your page moves, and that was only because I've seen over a time a pattern of what seems to me like somewhat aggressive draftification. And yes, I did revert three of these moves. You're very active at NPP and this represents only a tiny sample of your recent contributions record. If this has felt like harassment, then – and I'm not accusing anyone, I'm giving this only for perspective – imagine what a user like Footballinbelgium might be feeling: almost their entire talk page is made up of messages by one wikipedian, and that wikipedian has moved to draftspace four of the five, perfectly acceptable, articles they've created.

Regardless, if my presence on your talk page is unwelcome, I apologise. I will try to refrain from posting here any further. – Uanfala (talk) 19:42, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I have never moved a page with a clear bibliography. If someone doesn't respond to messages but continues to edit, then editors may well send them other messages - that is not similar to stalking many of someone's edits over quite a period of time with an aim to find issues. You also don't seem to know what 'perfectly acceptable' articles are, considering you are talking about biographies of living people with no clear references. Thank you for agreeing to refrain from harassing me on this page, and hopefully you will also stop your stalking desperately looking for something to complain about. Boleyn (talk) 20:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Colonial governors of Nicaragua

I answered you in my user page.--Isinbill (talk) 19:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

References in Draft:2006 Primera B de Chile

I have put the references in the article. What will happen with it? I'm worried.

Carigval (talk page) 17:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Second message

Take it easy, I just read your message well. I will move it. Sorry.

Carigval (talk) 17:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your message; sorry you were worried. I see you've already worked out the answer and solved the issue. Thanks for your hard work on the article. Boleyn (talk) 05:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Nikolay Kurbatov

Hello, Boleyn! Article about me can be deleted. I added a new sources. You can check it and help me? Nikolai Kurbatov (talk) 04:34, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Nikolai Kurbatov. I'm afraid I don't know enough about how reliable Russian sources are to comment. Well done on all your achievements. Boleyn (talk) 14:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

There is a links on articles in Komsomolskaya Pravda, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Echo of Moscow about my achievements and the article meet "Entertainers" (3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment). 900 verses and over 800 videos is a very prolific contributions. What you think? Nikolai Kurbatov (talk) 07:29, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Language link [Andrea Gnassi article]

Hi, thanks for the edit on the new page Andrea Gnassi. Can you help me adding the Italian WP link in the English wikipedia article? I think I'm still noob XD Thanks anyways. Lawtheagoraphobic (talk) 13:49, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Done Y Boleyn (talk) 14:41, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Good Job!! Haribanshnp (talk) 13:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

James Hand (disambiguation)

Greetings. As it happens, I have no objection to the changes made to the article. Do you perhaps want the whole page gone for some reason? Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by me wanting the whole page gone, The Gnome, what are your concerns? I made small edits to bring it in line with MOS:D. Boleyn (talk) 19:25, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I received a message in my talk page about the need to "resolve incoming links." If they have already been "resolved," fine, as I said. If not, could you please explain what is supposed to be done? I cannot understand the problem. Thanks. -The Gnome (talk) 19:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Ah, James Hand rather than James Hand (disambiguation). You have moved the page and I was alerting you that the links which went to the footballer are now broken, mistakenly taking people to a disambiguation page, see 'What links here' for James Hand. Boleyn (talk) 19:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The footballer's page is now titled "James Hand (footballer)." Shouldn't a user looking for "James Hand" be directed to a disambiguation page? -The Gnome (talk) 19:43, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

I checked "What links here" on "James Hand" and I think I understand the problem: Those links for the footballer are lost. I do not know how to fix this. -The Gnome (talk) 19:46, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The broken links should be fixed manually, I suppose. I'll try to get to it, Boleyn, when I come back from work. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 04:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

That's right. Thanks for looking into it. Boleyn (talk) 05:43, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I believe I fixed the lot. What rightly remains is a bunch of links to both our talk pages. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 07:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Graeme Bartlett. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Protocaiman, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Talk page bombing

Hi Boleyn. I saw that you left 15(!) messages at User talk:Draqueeb regarding new articles they had made. Is this automated? It seems highly excessive and rather overwhelming for an inexperienced editor (I noticed they haven't edited since receiving all the messages). Would it not be better to have a single message covering all the articles and issues? Cheers, Number 57 21:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

It would be better, I hadn't realised there were so many. The editor had continued to create articles with exactly the same issues after the first messages. When I review an article it's considered courteous to let the editor know if you have tagged it, and yes, it's a basic template so semi-automated. Boleyn (talk) 05:39, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

But no mention of {{link rot}} while you were there? PamD 06:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm SshibumXZ. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Machaca (disambiguation), and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.
Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 19:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC); edited 19:11, 12 September 2018 (UTC).

Hi, I unreviewed the article by mistake. My apologies for that.
Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 19:11, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Issues to Mercy Margaret Page

Hi Boleyn. As per your suggestion, I made changes to the page. Please let me know how to remove it from draft and keep it in the main page. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koiladababu (talk • contribs) 19:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Koiladababu, please just add it to Category:Pending AfC submissions. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018

Hello Boleyn, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news

• The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.

As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.

• There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Coordinator tasks for more info to see if you can help out.

Other

• A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.

Moving to Draft and Page Mover

• Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
• If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
• Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
• The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js^(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
• The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget. In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions. MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues. User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page) User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50). User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you. User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link. User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion. User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

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Review Mark Rosen

Hi,

Are you able to review an article for me Mark Rosen. I finished and moved it back to a main article and it hasn't been reviewed. Please review it. Thanks!

Eibln (talk) 14:06, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Why did you remove the page ]]adinevand[[

Why did you remove the page ]]adinevand[[ Hadilak (talk) 22:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Hadilak. It has just been moved to draftspace until the issues are addressed, as I wrote in my message. If you look at Draft:Adinevand, it has five improvement tags - it has no references, is poorly written, no links, is very short (which isn't necessarily a big problem), and has no categories. It can be easily moved back when it is finished - if you are unsure how to move pages or don't have the right, just ask me and I'll do it for you. Thanks for starting this article, Boleyn (talk) 07:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

G.C.J. Midgley

I just created a page about G.C.J. Midgley. I don't have time / expertise to expand it. If you wish to delete it, go ahead. I won't waste my time contributing to wikipedia anymore! user: mirrormundo

Hi, mirrormundo. Others can add categories etc. and expand it, but it would need references. It hasn't got enough information to show he is notable at the momnet, but can be worked on at Draft:G.C.J. Midgley any time over the next six months. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I added more information to Draft:G.C.J._Midgley, but it is difficult to elaborate on his work since he didn't write much. I asked David McNaughten, who took courses by Midgley, to add information. He referred to the obituary he wrote in the Independent, which tells a lot about the style of his teaching, but not much about his specific ideas. His teaching and influence is renowned however by many influential and notable philosophers, like John Searle. There is also no wiki-entry on his greatest contribution: constitutive versus regulative rules, also elaborated by John Searle. There is an entry on norms, but people won't find that entry if they look for constitutive or regulative rules.

Re: Fabio Bonci

Unfortunately I do not have references :(

I was filling in info for past players in Italy at one point using playerhistory.com which had pretty good statistics for past seasons. But that website went down and is still not operational anymore.

Sorry..

Geregen2 (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it, Geregen2. Boleyn (talk) 15:18, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Mozart La Para

Hi Boleyn, How are you? I wonder if you can help me? I moved this article from draft into main space about a month ago, expecting some extra sources to turn up, which have failed to happen. The subject is notable, one of his videos has around 30 million views, but there nothing out there to build some sources that can be verified. I see you have page mover. I was wondering it you could move it back to draft. Thanks. I check it now and again to see if it can be improved. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 16:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Scope creep, I can if you really want me to, but I've looked it over and added some references. Please let me know if you still want it moved. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Boleyn Thanks for that. You have a real skill in sourcing references. I spent a good bit of time on it, and couldn't find anything on, apart from social media links. I think there enough there to keep it, in place. I owe you a favour. Thanks. scope_creep (talk) 20:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Kristina Benić

Hello Boleyn, just leaving a note regarding the article Kristina Benić which you proposed to be deleted. It has been reviewed and now contains enough references to meet WP:NOTABILITY. Regards, 94.208.106.53 (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, and thanks for your hard work. Boleyn (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Eastern European Women's Basketball League

Hello Boleyn, back in July you moved article Eastern European Women's Basketball League from the mainspace to a Draft form due to it being unreferenced. I have worked on the draft and included references. Can you please check it and move back to the mainspace or let me know if anything is missing on it? Thank you, regards 94.208.106.53 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've moved it to mainspace :) Boleyn (talk) 19:31, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Regards 94.208.106.53 (talk) 20:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Grant Bovey for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Grant Bovey is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grant Bovey (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Launchballer 15:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Atlantic306. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Shani Prabhakaran, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Atlantic306 (talk) 11:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dominic Brigstocke

Thank you for focussing minds on the RS issue, which was first flagged in 2017. But on the basis of Brigstocke's career, might I argue some caution with the deletion proposal? This person has been one of the driving forces behind many of the most successful programmes on British television for nearly 30 years (at least from when he worked on Alas Smith and Jones in the 1980s). Importantly, unlike some directors in film and television, Brigstocke's credit of "director" does not remotely express his substantial contribution in bringing these shows about, see e.g. here.

As I have a COI it is probably better I not get too involved (although I do not know Brigstocke personally, the company I work for employed him back in the 1990s) but I would be happy to look out some supporting material, which is most likely to be found in sources not easily accessible, eg the specialist journals which cover the UK tv business. However I am superbusy for the next weeks, so I would ask that you delay any proposed deletion until (say) the end of November, by which time I should have been able to find something (after all the page has been pretty stable for more than ten years so there seems to be no great urgency).

Hope this helps. AnOpenMedium (talk) 09:53, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, AnOpenMedium, thanks for taking the time to message me. This biography of a living person currently has no references at all, and it needs clear, multiple, reliable, independent, WP:INLINECITED references. You can remove the deletion tag and add at least one source (perhaps The Guardian one above) and then work on it in November. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 11:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello,

There are two pages dedicated to the same person. Could you please delete André Lafosse and add an acute accent to Andre Lafosse, something I'm not allowed to do. Thanks in advance, LouisAlain (talk) 09:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Done, LouisAlain. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 17:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to you, LouisAlain (talk) 18:05, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Unreferenced Canadian Comedy Awards

Hi! You righty tagged 1st Canadian Comedy Awards as unreferenced. Just to let you know, I've got a sourced expansion at User:Reidgreg/1st Canadian Comedy Awards along with a bunch of others listed at User talk:Reidgreg/Canadian Comedy Awards. I don't want to put them to the mainspace yet because I hope to promote them through DYK (preferably with some big multiple hooks), and I've become busy with some of my other Wikipedia commitments. I hope to get at least some of them in the mainspace by the end of this year, and most of them before the 2019 awards season. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work on these, Reidgreg, it sounds like a good idea to wait until they're ready before they go in the mainspace. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

2019 Warrington Wolves Season

Hi, this page is now up to date with references. Can this page go live now and not be listed as a draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriswolves (talk • contribs) 09:34, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Done, thanks for your hard work on this, Boleyn (talk) 10:56, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Boleyn, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal

• There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
• Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!

Project updates

• ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
• There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.

New scripts

• User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js^(info) — A new script created for quickly placing {{copyvio-revdel}} on a page.

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Pointless

There is a school of though that says that redirects from draft space to mainspace should be kept as a record. Certainly deleting them serves no purpose except to generate unnecessary work for admins. Please desist. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:13, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

List of victims and survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, List of victims and survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Boleyn (talk) 07:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

So why don't you throw in some cites yourself?

Koncurrentkat (talk) 14:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

The WP:BURDEN is on you to do so, Koncurrentkat. I add some, especially on topics I am knowledgeable on, but that works nowhere near as well as the creator adding their references at the time. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

You just like moving articles to draftspace, it would've be actually easier to add a source for a very straight forward topic?

Koncurrentkat (talk) 14:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

What is 'very straightforward' to one may not be to another - if I have serious concerns about an article, I move to draft, tag for deletion and/or contact the editor. It would probably have been easier for you to add a reference, then attack me for being concerned about the article being in the mainspace. Boleyn (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for Patrolling New pages

Dear User:Boleyn, thank you for volunteering on Wikipedia. You messaged me on my Talk page about "Ways to improve Moving Sands". I am not sure which references you found unclear:

The "References cited"

• Hawkes, David, translation, introduction, and notes (2011 [1985]). Qu Yuan et al., The Songs of the South: An Ancient Chinese Anthology of Poems by Qu Yuan and Other Poets. London: Penguin Books. ISBN 978-0-14-044375-2, page 332,

or

• Yang, Lihui, et al. (2005). Handbook of Chinese Mythology. New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-533263-6, pages 160-162,

or

the "References consulted"

• Yu, Anthony C., editor, translator, and introduction (1980 [1977]). The Journey to the West. Chicago and London: The University of Chicago Press. ISBN 978-0-226-97150-6

Please, if after you have consulted these references, then let me know in what way they are "unclear". I will try to add a more specific Anthony Yu reference in a bit. I am applying for JSTOR access through Wikipedia, which would help in locating more references. However, I can assure you that if you consult the references above, together with those in the linked Wikipedia articles, that your doubts about the article reliability will be abated.

Of course, most Wikipedia articles would benefit by more and clearer reference citations; however, dominating this article with a template message as the first item that a viewer sees (even before the article lead), and that template producing big question mark and text challenging the accuracy of the article? Dcattell (talk) 17:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Dcattell. Sorry the message didn't seem clear. The full message is: 'This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations.' The issue isn't with the sources, but that it is unclear which source references which pieces of information.

There are various opinions on tagging articles (I had a read of Wikipedia:Tagging pages for problems) but essentially it is now flagged up to those who work on these issues, as well as to you as creator, and it has more chance of being addressed. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and cheers Dcattell (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Mission: Price

Hello, Boleyn. I moved the article back and add a ref. If you feel the article is not notable then you can take it to WP:AFD where the community will determine whether the article stays up. TheEditster (talk) 09:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC) H, TheEditster, thanks for swiftly looking at the issue. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Henry Marshall

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here on Henry Marshall, especially as this article was created 9 years ago. Its sources seem to be in line with other, similar articles. iwaltersIwalters (talk)

(talk page watcher) Have moved it back to mainspace, as it was going to leave 50+ red links. He was going to be the only red link in this list at 1st Confederate States Congress. The source for ref 9 in that article names him clearly. I suggest that adding {{unref}} might have been more appropriate than the drastic move of draftifying such a long-standing and much-linked article. But, to placate, I've added that ref as a source here. Perhaps if there are similar articles you're worried about you could add the source. PamD 23:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

This has unfortunately ended up in the original discussion plus on this page, but it seems to all be well-sorted now. I think I made an error on this in terms of how old it was. Thanks for your input, Boleyn (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Bad draftifocation

You just moved a page I accepted back to draft claiming a list of articles (places no less that are autonotable) needs sources. You ignored my comment to that effect on the draft. Please be more careful with your page moves. Legacypac (talk) 21:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Legacypac, which article are you referring to? I'll look it over. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 22:01, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

My Lists of Earls in the reign of [English medieval monarchs]

Hello Boleyn You have marked my articles as unsourced. As I explained in a reversion my articles are simply lists that contain links to Wikipedia articles that contain the relevant sources. Recently someone called Trivialist accepted that my articles don't need to be sourced for that reason. I'd appreciated it if you could accept that too. Unst50 (talk) 00:24, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Unst50, thanks for messaging me. Did you have a look at WP:SourceList? I tried to be clear why I was adding the tag. According to that: 'Even if you're sure that an item is relevant to the list's topic, you must find a good source that verifies this knowledge before you add it to the list (although you can suggest it on the talk page), and add that source in a reference next to the item.' What was the source for your information? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

2019 London Broncos

Hi, this page is now up to date with references. Can this page go live now and not be listed as a draft? Gary Calder1966 (talk) 13:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

It looks good, Gary Calder1966, I've moved it to mainspace. Thanks for your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 17:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Re:National symbols of Turkey moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, National symbols of Turkey, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Boleyn (talk) 19:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Boleyn/Archive 37, could you please review this page:National symbols of Armenia. --Joseph (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Joseph, we only review new pages as part of New Page Patrol, but this has exactly the same issues as the Turkish one. I'll look it over and see if I can find a way to improve it. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm waiting, aren't you going to draft that page as well?--Joseph (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you understood my message, Joseph. The Turkish page was going through New Page Patrol, and was moved from mainspace to draftspace because it had no references and wasn't ready for the mainspace. It can be worked on and moved back any time. The Armenia page you mentioned is not a new page, it is two years old, so New Page Patrol would not usually be involved in draftifying a long-standing article, even if it is very poor. As I said, that's one I'll look over and see what I can do with it. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Re https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tullogher moved to draftspace

Hi Boleyn/Archive 37, could you please review this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tullogher - have added refs

Done Y Thanks for your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

My Lists of Earls in the reign of [English medieval monarchs]

Hi Boleyn Thank you for reviewing my lists and providing feedback. The thing is the lists are compiled using the information in articles on Wikipedia. I am not a medieval historian doing original research. I have checked some of the information in Wikipedia articles about the various earls and earldoms against some secondary works that I've had access to. Where the information in a Wikipedia article about a particular earl or earldom requires amendment as a result of my reading of secondary works I have amended that article. I can't see the point of including footnotes, sources and references when the lists are simply compiled from articles on Wikipedia which are linked. It seems to me to be unnecessary to add references or footnotes to Wikipedia articles when there are links to those articles in the list. Unst50 (talk) 23:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Unst50, thanks for your hard work on these, especially because you don't agree with WP:SourceList. I think the main idea is that it is far easier for a reader to look at the list and see the information is verified, without having to clear on many links to check it all. Personally, I do use lists like this for historical research, and it is so much easier if you can see the list article is accurate, without needing to check several other articles. Thanks again, Boleyn (talk) 06:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Boleyn Could you please send me a link to one of your list articles. Unst50 (talk) 22:14, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Boleyn Could you please send me a link to one of your list articles as I requested on 6 November 2018. Unst50 (talk) 00:31, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Unst50, sorry I missed your first message. I'm not sure what you mean by sending you a link to one of my list articles. I had a look overall for if you just meant any list that was formatted well, and saw List of Commonwealth visits made by Elizabeth II. Please let me know if I've misunderstood what you were asking for. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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Draft:The Black Dahlia (graphic novel), Please help?

Dear User Boleyn,

Do you mind helping me with the Draft:The Black Dahlia (graphic novel) / The Black Dahlia (graphic novel) so the article doesn't get deleted? I have found external links, citations, and sources since it was moved to draftspace. I am busy with work and other things, as you can see on my user contributions page, my edits aren't consistent or scheduled, they're merely inconsistent and when I can. Also, this is something that hasn't happened with other articles I created. So again, can you help me with this? I would very much appreciate it and be grateful, whether with edits, help, or advice. Thank you.  :)

God bless,

PeaceShield5 (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, PeaceShield5. Don't worry, it won't be deleted unless it's not worked on for six months. Just add the citations you have found to the draft and submit it to WP:AFC when it's ready. At the moment, it has no indication why it meets WP:NBOOK or WP:GNG, no sources and little information. All that can be worked on though. It's fie to contribute to Wikipedia when you can, it's appreciated that you take any time to help on the project. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 20:48, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:OVERTAGGING

Seriously?. For a one sentence article? SpinningSpark 21:04, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not really seeing that as a one-sentence article, and it's currently unclear which source references which point. Boleyn (talk) 21:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Really? What's your count of the full stops then? SpinningSpark 22:01, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I was looking at it in terms of numbers of lines and separate pieces of unverified information. However, it's fine to disagree with me - but your messages comes across as unnecessarily attacking, Spinningspark, and certainly you, as the person who added the sources, could have resolved the issue in much less time than you took to send me messages like this. Boleyn (talk) 14:24, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Re https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ram_Prasad_Chaudhary Moved from draftspace

Hiii I have given some source and improve article. So please remove from draft. Pk41946 (talk) 03:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Great work, Pk41946, I've now reviewed that for new Page Patrol. Thanks for the time you took over it, Boleyn (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Congratulations!

Justin J. Liu (Dylan Smithson) (talk) 17:27, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Irish Order of Precedence

Hi I have links of the Irish Order or Precedence:

• [1]
• [2]

Mr Hall of England (talk) 20:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Great, Mr Hall of England, WP:INLINECITE them in the draft, then submit to WP:AFC if you think it's ready. Thanks for your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 06:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Could you do that for me please? I don't know how to do it.Mr Hall of England (talk) 21:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Mr Hall of England, I've added them, and if you go to Draft:Order of precedence in Ireland you will see a blue box saying 'Submit my draft for review' and you can click on it. Help:Referencing for beginners is helpful, as is WP:INLINECITE. Essentailly, when you add a piee of information, you add your source next to it within < ref > Dod's Peerage p.4< /ref > (without the spaces.) I couldn't really do that without a lot of time to this article because I didn't know which source you'd used for which bit of information. However, alothough inlnie citations are preferential and really helpful to readers, the draft may well be accepted as it is. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:55, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thank you for your work on Wikipedia:Mistagged unreferenced articles cleanup. You have made a siginificant dent on the backlog despite only starting on November 7th. Keep up the great work! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Much appreciated, MrLinkinPark333. Boleyn (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

List of Nigerian actresses

I agree with your decision to turn this into a draft, but not for the reasons you cited. While it may be a best practice for all list entries to be referenced, many uncontroversial occupation lists have references contained in the list entry articles themselves. I have a much bigger problem with splitting a list on gender lines (which is why the list was split initially). IronGargoyle (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, IronGargoyle, thanks for your message. I didn't consider it a particularly useful list, and I take your point on gender. I would tend to stick closely to WP:SOURCELIST: 'Even if you're sure that an item is relevant to the list's topic, you must find a good source that verifies this knowledge before you add it to the list (although you can suggest it on the talk page), and add that source in a reference next to the item.' We don't want readers to have to go hunting to verify each point in a list article. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 21:39, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Photo request petition - please sign

Hi! Can you please sign the petition to TASS and RIAN requesting them to release certain historic photos (many of them from WWII, others of cosmonauts, women aviators, and historic events) for Wikimedia by adding your signature to the signature section? Also, please do spread the word to other Wikipedians. Thanks, --PlanespotterA320 (talk) 03:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Help

Please, tell more precise, what sources should the lists site and this in particular--Anntinomy (talk) 22:06, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Hei, Anntinomy, thanks for your message. If you add a piece of information to an article, a reference should be put next to it showing where you got your information from. Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:SourceList may be helpful to you. Please let me know if you have any firther questions, and thanks for working on that page. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 22:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm MB. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, En bloc, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

MB 04:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Requesting Review of Dharitri Terangpi

Hi, If you have time Kindly review and improve the page Dharitri Terangpi Vrisle (talk) 05:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I've looked it over but it reads too much like an advert for me to review it. Perhaps see if you can tone it down a little. Thanks for working on this, Vrisle. Boleyn (talk) 06:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Please don't delete S.D.C.

Hi Boleyn, it is Mynamies. You've recently put my page S.D.C. for deletion Nomination for not meeting WP:NOTABILITY. It actually does I am going to put all 68 coasters the company made and I am going to add more sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mynameies (talk • contribs) 01:19, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Mynameies, thanks for your message, I know it's not nice when something you've worked on is thought non-notable. Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S.D.C.. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Could you help me

How do I edit the references and the external links, since I really don't know also, why do people edit and "delete" the honours when I put them in if they are true and official? And how do you put up images on wikipedia pages? Bakir123 (talk) 20:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Bakir123, thanks for your message. I think the best start is to read Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:INLINECITE. I can only guess, but if others are changing honours you have added to pages, it is likely because they are unreferenced. If you let me know what articles it's been happening on, I'm happy to look it over for you. WP:Images should help you with your question on imges, although I have never added an image myself. Please let me know if you have any further questions, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Boleyn (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Honours

It's been happenig on the Slavko Petrović and Mirsad Bešlija wikipedia page the most. Thanks in advance. Bakir123 (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bakir. I've started a discussion on the talk page and tagged you in. There weren't any edit summaries on the reverts, so I understand your confusion. GiantSnowman is an experienced editor and can hopefully help explain what the issue was. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 09:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Sacrificial Princess and the King of Beasts

I finish add few information on Sacrificial Princess and the King of Beasts. Can you moved to mainspace?

--YamiYugi (talk)

Hi, YamiYugi, thanks for your message and for your hard work on this article. Please go to Draft:SacrificialPrincess and the King of Beasts and click on the blue box, 'Submit your draft for review!' I'm not sure enough myself that the references are enough, but it's not my area of expertise - however, this means someone who does feel confident with it can look it over. Thanks again, Boleyn (talk) 09:24, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

hello

I would appreciate it if you would not move my article Lost Sessions to draftspace please, I'm still working on trying to find reliable sources to feature this article. Thank you. 13:14, 15 November 2018‎ Ceedub88 (talk) (UTC)

Hi, Ceedub88, thanks for your message. Moving to draftspace is used by New Page Patrollers sometimes to help an article avoid deletion, and be in a safe space where it can be worked on. At the moment, it does not appear to meet WP:NALBUM or WP:GNG. You've moved it back now, but it may be redirected or tagged for deletion if the issues aren't properly addressed. Please don't worry about an article being moved to draftspace, it just means it isn't ready yet but we want the opportunity for it to be worked on. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 17:17, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello

I already click the blue box, 'Submit your draft for review!' on Draft:SacrificialPrincess and the King of Beasts and I find yellow box under External links.

--YamiYugi (talk)

That's great, it'll be looked at soon then. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Boleyn,

Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW

• Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.

If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.

We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.

With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)}18:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi, I am on the fence about some drafts whether to accept or decline, so I'd like some feedback from you to give me a clearer picture.

• Draft:VIRTA (band) (they are signed to a notable label, but the sourcing isn't a lot)
• Draft:Occidental_refinery_Canvey_Island (my only problem is the offline sourcing , is it enough to accept?)
• Draft:Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (soundtrack) (notable film's soundtrack but is it enough for its own article with the sourcing provided?)
• Draft:Kütralkura

Thanks . JC7V (talk) 03:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, JC7V7DC5768. For Draft:VIRTA (band), it reads with a promotional feel. The nearest to WP:NBAND they seem to meet is 'Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).' But only their first album was released on a notable label, then then moved to a label that doesn't seem to be notable. I'm not seeing enough for WP:GNG either, although I always find it difficult with articles like this, as I'm less sure on how to judge how good Finnish sources are. There doesn't seem to be a Finnish WP article to look at either.

Draft:Occidental refinery Canvey Island has good sourcing and enough detail that I wouldn't worry about sourcing being offline. I would suggest they remove the ref to Daily Express though, as it's not a reliable source.

Draft:Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (soundtrack), I would pass it, it seems to be notable and although refs can be improved, there are reviews there. It didn't chart.

I would definitely pass Draft:Kütralkura, meets WP:NPLACE and has sufficient refs.

However, with all of these other editors might disagree, for all the guidelines we have, it is often down to the individual's opinion! Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 08:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Jennifer McMahon (disambiguation)

Hi Boleyn, thanks for pointing out on my talk page the policy you were following in your edits as I had not noticed that in your edit summary. However I still think that the most appropriate way to handle disambiguation of Jennifer McMahon the writer and Jennifer McMahon the nutritionist (as those are the only two acutal JM pages on WP at present) would be to follow the William Cox model and have "Jennifer McMahon" as the name of a disambig page and then list the writer, the nutritionist, the swimmer etc on that page. I don't agree that JM the writer should be identified as the primary topic for the name JM - that article is actually very weak and barely meets GNG as the writer hasn't won any awards or made a significant impact on her field. What do you think? MurielMary (talk) 09:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, MurielMary, thanks for your message. What you're suggesting is more a move of page names than a change of formatting, with the primary page (Jennifer McMahon) then being the best place for the dab to be. It may be worth opening a discussino at WP:RM requesting the writer be moved to Jennifer McMahon (writer). Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 09:17, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that's the change I'm suggesting. I've never used WP:RM before, I've always gone ahead and made page moves myself. Is there some reason an editor couldn't make this move herself, and would need to use WP:RM? MurielMary (talk) 09:22, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:RM is better if it could be at all controversial; from a quick glance at the articles, your proposal seems reasonable though. Boleyn (talk) 10:50, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing

Instead of telling people to source, you should help source. Instead of saying their is a backlog, you should try that. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 13:56, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

We've been through this before - I spend a lot of time reducing the backlog and do add sources, but the WP:BURDEN is on you to add references when you create an article - not on anyone else. Boleyn (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

• It may, however, be true that you work a little fast at times. I couldn't help but feel that this [3] was a condescending and uncollegial message. I had explained why the list of BLUELINKED items [4] still lacking INLINE cites. I know that you give an enormous amount of time and labour to the project, but please try to remember that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is a volunteer service.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

There was nothing rude in the mesage, E.M.Gregory, it was a standard template for when there's an issue. However, I realised my error (I'd misread the edit summary) but then double-checked and apologised in my edit summary for it. Definitely my error, but more to do with working too early in the morning than too fast :) Boleyn (talk) 06:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Gosh, I don't usually write notes like that. Guess I was tired too.