Template talk:R from song

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Text readability[edit]

Disregard

– I understand the purpose of these templates now. –Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 20:25, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is it normal for the text to not appear on the actual redirect? It does if you look at a diff of when the template is added. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 19:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, editor Keraunoscopia. In case you're still interested, FYI there is a low priority bug report, #14323, that addresses this particular issue. – Paine (Climax!) 18:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I like to take my time responding to low priority bugs :P No, thank you for your reply, I ended up here quite by accident and just saw your reply. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 05:50, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Recent revert[edit]

Response to editor Vadmium: Yes, you're absolutely right. Don't know what I was thinking. Good catch - and good hunting! – Paine (Climax!) 18:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Print category[edit]

As you know, the Rcats that place redirects into the printworthy or unprintworthy cats are in place to determine which redirects are suitable for inclusion in a printed version of Wikipedia. There are two reasons that all of these song redirects are not suitable:

It would be a monumental task to change each and every redirect individually, and even more importantly
The songs that are redirected to album articles, film articles, and so forth, are included within the articles. If a song is notable enough to be suitable for inclusion in a print version of Wikipedia, then it shouldn't be a redirect in the first place; it is notable enough to have its own article about it. In this case, suitability for print and notability for inclusion in Wikipedia go hand-in-hand.

So it hopefully makes sense to everyone that these song redirects should all be categorized as unprintworthy. When someone thinks an individual song should be printworthy, such as "Somewhere" (song), then they need to write an article about it. – Paine (Climax!) 17:44, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To establish whether the printworthy parameter has any legitimate use case: Couldn't there be an exception to the above logic when a song has a section in some other article, but editorial decisions have been made not to split that section into its own article (where the concern may be length rather than notability)?

Also, does this mean that redirects to songs should never be tagged as with possibilities? What if someone is actively drafting an article but is too busy in real life to finish within a day or two?

(Unfortunately, I don't have a specific example of either at hand.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 06:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your reasoning for the songs being unprintworthy. I imagine a redirect in a print Wikipedia would say something like "See [target article]". If I want to look up a song in the print Wikipedia and it's not there (because it was deemed unprintworthy), it's not helpful that the song is mentioned in the album or artist article unless I know what album or artist the song is from (which is possibly what I wanted to find out by looking up the song). I would argue that the only redirects that are unprintworthy are ones with incorrect spelling or capitalisation or ones that are almost identical to another redirect or the actual article title. We have two systems: printworthy and unprintworthy. A print Wikipedia could include all redirects that aren't unprintworthy or only redirects that are printworthy. Many songs I would say are printworthy. Others are perhaps best left without either tag. Either way, I don't think they should be automatically unprintworthy. M.Clay1 (talk) 03:44, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To editor M.Clay1: long time no see and good to read your words. Your point is valid, and for those few redirected songs that either have possibilities of being notable enough for their own article, or they are nostalgically remembered by a large segment of people, the printworthy tag can be used as shown in the template documentation. Most of the 20,000 plus songs tagged by this rcat are not in those two printworthy classes. Paine Ellsworth ^put'r there 10:42, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, a lot of redirects for songs have {{R with possibilities}} added to them, thus placing those redirects in both Category:Unprintworthy redirects and Category:Printworthy redirects. Which should take precedence? Should "R with possibilities be removed from song redirects? Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

R to album redirect[edit]

This could also be from a singer to their only notable work (an album) when they don't have a page for themselves because they're not notable enough. To me, this makes the {{R to album}} redirect ambiguous and it should be deleted, but it may be in too much use to realistically do that. Does anyone have the numbers (or any thoughts?) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:16, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on January 26, 2024[edit]

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Below "** For redirects of cover songs to the article about the original song, use {{tl|R from cover song}} instead.", add "** For redirects of remixes to the article about the original song, use {{tl|R from remix}} instead." because of the new R from remix template. 134.199.113.124 (talk) 13:46, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done SWinxy (talk) 05:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]