Template talk:R from personal name

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Sandbox[edit]

To editor John Cline: Hi, John – I've taken the liberty to make a few edits to this rcat. I noticed that you have put a lot of time into it and you've strived to use much of the existing format of other rcats. So rather than to just make the edits to the rcat itself, I made my edits in the sandbox to make the text even more consistent with other rcats, to make the text more concise, and to add a crucial note about personal names of living persons. The documentation on the sandbox page has also been updated, but again, it's just a sandbox version. I didn't think it would be right to make these edits without first your seeing them and making comment. Thank you for reading! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 05:21, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement[edit]

The creator of this template and documentation, John Cline, decided to retire on May 22, 2014. He will be missed! With this in mind, I have transferred the contents of the sandbox to the "live" template and documentation and will put on my to-do list to check the "What links here" page to make sure all redirects are WP:BLP compliant. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 00:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to have to only semi-retired. It's much better than leaving abruptly, and I mostly enjoy the hobby. I am glad that you stepped up to maintain this template as you did. Without even looking, I'm sure you have improved it. Pretty soon I'll tag some redirects to help out, or something, right now I just want to cover some bases where I was a bit obligated. Thanks again.—John Cline (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure! – Paine

Middle name[edit]

For the purposes of distinguishing this template from {{r from birth name}}, does the omission or abbreviation of a middle name count as a "differ[ence]" from the legal birth name? See for example Felix Kjellberg; the target article PewDiePie gives "Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg" as the full name. I ended up self-reverting an edit to the redirect because I wasn't sure.

(I wasn't sure whether it would have been better to create Template talk:R from birth name for this instead.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 21:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC) (+ 06:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC))[reply]

I consider that a subject has only one actual birth name, though at times when a person is born with only an initial as a middle name, the birth name can be the one using an initial. The personal name should be a properly conjugated form of the birth name, and for living subjects, there should be a specific reference within the article showing its use in the redirected form. When the conjugations delve into misspellings, probable misspellings, or other forms that wouldn't be considered proper, other rcats for alternative names would be more appropriate. This is how I incorporate the rcat. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 06:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]