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2021 revision of the standard atomic weights[edit]
As mentioned on WP:ELEMENTS talk page, the IUPAC has released the 2021 Standard Atomic Weights of the Elements (kudos to DePiep for the speedy update of the abridged atomic weights). However, while the atomic weights have been revised, I've noticed that the references have not yet been updated to the corresponding IUPAC Technical Report.[1] Is it possible to find some way to update all the references for the atomic weights and isotope abundances in the template to this paper? I'll be fixing up the Isotopes pages in the meantime.
(By the way, I may not be able to respond to comments or replies quickly, because I have exams coming up in the next two weeks. If you reply or have questions, please ping me.)
— MeasureWell (talk) 02:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Prohaska, Thomas; Irrgeher, Johanna; Benefield, Jacqueline; Böhlke, John K.; Chesson, Lesley A.; Coplen, Tyler B.; Ding, Tiping; Dunn, Philip J. H.; Gröning, Manfred; Holden, Norman E.; Meijer, Harro A. J. (2022-05-04). "Standard atomic weights of the elements 2021 (IUPAC Technical Report)". Pure and Applied Chemistry. doi:10.1515/pac-2019-0603. ISSN 1365-3075.
- In general, see/use:
I will adjust this {{Infobox element isotopes}} tohave automated values & formatting. Ping me if something does not look right. -DePiep (talk) 07:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)- Already done [1]. See Template:Infobox element isotopes § Standard atomic weight (Li example in /doc).
- @MeasureWell: I don't see the question. Each isotopes infobox uses central SAW data, and so is updated per CIAAW2021 (changed values, value presentation uncertainty, abandoning "conventional", use new quantity symbol Ar°(E)).
- By /doc, there is individual parrameter
|standard atomic weight ref=that can add extra reference(s). Up to template editor to change/update these, individual infobox/editor/element judgement needed. Can I automate this (eg, using WP:AWB)? -DePiep (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @DePiep: Thanks for the response. Sorry for the misleading title and the confusion — I was referring to the fact that while the values of the atomic weights have been updated (which, like I said in my original post, great job and thanks for getting onto that quickly), the references next to the abridged values have not. For example, the abridged atomic weight for hydrogen still references the 2013 report, when clearly we should be citing the 2021 paper. Hope this helps! – MeasureWell (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- ... but if you refer to this edit: these are not automated. Of course AME and NUBASE are screaming for automation (and so our isotope tables), but it takes some time really ;-) . Maybe better do put this data in wikidata right away (IIRC, NUBASE2016 is in WD). -DePiep (talk) 07:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Parameter changes[edit]
Single isotope parameter |ref=[edit]
Added for all row subtemplates (stable, decay 1-4):
|ref=<ref>...</ref>
- /documentation § Single isotope parameter:
- This will show after the lefthand side isotope name:
{{infobox
|data1={{para|ref demo|}}
|data2=
{{infobox element isotopes/infotable |isotopes=
{{infobox element isotopes/isotopes decay | mn=105 | sym=Ag
| na=[[synthetic radioisotope|syn]] | hl=41.3 d
| dm=[[electron capture|ε]] | de=– | link1=palladium-105 | pn=105 | ps=Pd
| ref=<ref>Ag-105 γ decay {{tlf|cite web}}</ref>}}
{{infobox element isotopes/isotopes stable | mn=107 | sym=Ag | na=51.839% | n=60 |firstlinks=yes
| ref=<ref>Ag=107 stable - reference</ref>}}
{{infobox element isotopes/isotopes decay3 | mn=108 | sym=Ag
| na=syn | hl=439 y
| dm1=ε | de1=– | link1=palladium-108 | pn1=108 | ps1=Pd
| dm2=IT | de2=0.109 | link2=silver-108 | pn2=108 | ps2=Ag
| dm3=γ | de3=0.433, 0.614,<br/>0.722 | pn3=| ps3=–
| ref=<ref>Ag-108 {{tlf|cite web}}</ref>}}}}
}}
{{infobox silver isotopes
|isotopes =
{{infobox element isotopes/isotopes decay | mn=105 | sym=Ag | hl= ...
| dm=[[electron capture|ε]] ...
| ref=<ref>Ag-105 γ decay {{tlf|cite web}}</ref> }}
{{infobox element isotopes/isotopes stable | mn=107 | sym=Ag | na=51.839% | n=60 |firstlinks=yes
| ref=<ref>Ag=107 stable - reference</ref> }}
{{infobox element isotopes/isotopes decay3 | mn=108m | sym=Ag | na=syn | hl=...
| dm1=ε ... | dm2=IT ... | dm3=γ ...
| ref=<ref>Ag-108 {{tlf|cite web}}</ref> }}
}}
Notes:
- NUBASE2020: In general, referring to {{NUBASE2020}} is not needed, as this is the default referencing for isotopes.
- By specific decay mode: When the reference refers to a specific decay mode (α, SF), it can be added as opening text:
|ref=SF decay: {{cite web}} - No edits required: but in the long term it is advisable to move references from in-parameter into this one (for example, remove from
|hl=2 y<ref>...</ref>to|ref=<ref>...</ref>).
References
ISOBOX reuse in Infobox[edit]
As of 7 Jan 2023[update], live in
{{Infobox element}}.[2]So {{Infobox uranium}} section "Main isotopes of uranium" now reads its isotopes table live from {{Infobox uranium isotopes}}.
The main isotopes list to be maintained solely at {{Infobox <element> isotopes}}.
- Parameters read:
|isotopes=(i.e., the table),|footnote=,|isobox ref=. Ignored: standard atomic weight.- This Isobox has its own V-E-links in the Infobox headerbar, appearing as "Main isotopes of uranium V · E".
- Theoretical elements with an article & Infobox (E119, E120; and E121, E122, E124, E126) have different effects because not all their (linkable) isotopes pages exist. E119 and E120 can use |isotopes comment=.
- Deprecated in {{Infobox <element>}}: |isotopes=, |isotopes ref=, |isotopes comment= (mostly, but kept for E119, E120)
- Later: check abandoned data before deleting (taskforce "Isobox reuse").
decay modes[edit]
About decay mode and {{NUBASE2020}} (NB2020).[1] See {{Decay modes}} (updated for NB2020; used in-article).
We aim to control the dm options used, as opposed to free input. For example, use/deprecate "EC"?
Some research to be done:
- Question mark ⟨?⟩ used
The most important policy in assembling the information about the decay modes and their intensities was to unambiguously establish whether a particular decay is energetically allowed, but not experimentally observed (represented by a question mark alone ‘?’, e.g. ‘IT ?’ or ‘a ?’, the question mark refers to the decay mode), and whether the decay is actually observed, but its intensity is not determined (represented by ‘=?’, e.g. ‘IT =?’ or ‘a=?’, the question mark refers to the branching intensity).
— NUBASE2020 p.11
- Variants of meaning in of beta+
Similarly to previous versions of NUBASE [1–4], b+ denotes a decay process that includes both electron capture, e, and positron emission, e+, decays, so that one can symbolically write b+ = e +e+. It should be made clear that this notation is not the same as that used in ENSDF, where the combination of both modes is labeled as e +b+.
— NUBASE2020 p.11
DePiep (talk) 08:24, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
References
- ^ Kondev, F. G.; Wang, M.; Huang, W. J.; Naimi, S.; Audi, G. (2021). "The NUBASE2020 evaluation of nuclear properties" (PDF). Chinese Physics C. 45 (3): 030001. doi:10.1088/1674-1137/abddae.
- OK, so how do we write ε β+ 100% then? I am trying to agree with the chart of the nuclides for I123 and I124. Gah4 (talk) 18:52, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Wikilinks[edit]
Template:Infobox isotopes (meta)/testcases#basic + link has a few odd wikilinks to pages such as b, Chess (d4), g, dab e+ and (most unexpectedly) Abba (b). They should probably lead to something a bit more scientific, but I'm not sure exactly what. Certes (talk) 13:01, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- Well, that's the Testpage at work! Projected efefct is, that when the link is nonsensical (like a DAB or abba indeed), the template corrects it. The good news is that correction works happens. -DePiep (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
IB ISOTOPES (meta) switchover[edit]
In the coming days or weeks, existing templates by {{Infobox element isotopes}} (meta) are switched over to use new {{Infobox isotopes (meta)}}.
- Also, new {{Isotopes/main/isotope}} will be used (single isotope row), replacing all variants like "{{Infobox element isotopes/isotopes decay1}}", "{{.. decay4}}", "{{.. stable}}".
- Enhanced parameter set like
|link, mn, sym, na, hl, ref, dm1, perc1, link1, ref1, pn1, ps1, ..., dm4, ...=. See {{/doc}}.
- New
|ref-nubase2020=yes/noto add {{NUBASE2020}}|perc1–4=is added, percentage for|dm1–4=decay mode. The value is formatted; "<" and "≪" when applicable.|ref1–4=for individual|dm1–4=references.
- Simple keyboard input
- Parameters
|na=,|hl=can handle simple keyboard code input.
|na=trace, synth,|hl=stable, obs stable.- Also,
|na=synth_linkwill link → synth
|dm1–4=recognise simplified keyboard input:
|dm1=b+b+will show β+β+. (No need to type |dm1=β<sup>+</sup>β<sup>+</sup>).
- To wikilink, add code
_link:|dm1=b+b+_link→ β+β+.
- Silent switchover
- The instances by element name, "{{Infobox actinium isotopes}}" (Category:Infobox element isotopes templates (119)), will keep their name (only templates under the hood are changed). No interruption needed in articles (actinium, isotopes of actinium). IB element also not disrupted.
- Examples
- {{Infobox roentgenium isotopes}}, has new decay-%
- Category:Isotope template issues (10), errors (like: decay product incomplete)
- Category:Isotope template trackings (9), tracked, like "decay input code not recognised; shown unedited" (ie, no error just a list to check)
- -DePiep (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC), 06:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)~
- eg, isotopes of cobalt: two decay modes entered, to split? -DePiep (talk) 07:11, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
previous decay wikilinks[edit]
This is a list of previous wikilinks for decay modes (so, appeared like: IT - IT). The list shows that a single decay mode was linked to various target pages (redirects are shown resolved). Current redirects are standardised, see {{Isotopes/decay-mode/overview}}.