Template talk:History of Communist Nations

Nicaragua

I felt that Nicaragua deserves some mention to the template, so I created a section titled "Formerly quasi-communist" to symbolize the communist-like government despite the fact that Nicaragua was never actually a "communist state," though had nearly identical ideologies. If someone has a better solution, feel free to suggest it. VoodooIsland (talk) 17:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Elected, but not communist?

Why is there a section titled Elected party, not communist? The parties elected into power in the regions listed are still Communist parties, so not communist must be dropped.--Joshua Issac (talk) 13:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it by putting in at the end the word 'state'. That-Vela-Fella (talk) 19:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

belarus?

Belarus stays as a communist state today, and I've founded out that dictator Alexander Lukashenko have let the Communist Party into his government, but even though, Belarus doesn't have communism as the official state ideology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.168.251 (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

DPRK

why is North Korea not included? they are a socialist country. just because they removed the specific word communism from their constitution, does not mean they are not socialist. 82.32.190.167 (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Socialist States

Since

"The term 'Communist state' is used by Western historians, political scientists and media to refer to these countries. However, contrary to Western usage, these states do not describe themselves as 'communist' nor do they claim to have achieved communism; they refer to themselves as Socialist states or Workers' states that are in the process of constructing socialism." (extracted from Communist state)

and

"In Western usage, the term 'Communist state' is often used in reference to single-party socialist states governed by parties adhering to a variant of Marxism–Leninism; however these states officially refer to themselves as 'socialist states' that are in the process of building socialism and do not describe themselves as 'communist' or as having achieved communism. Aside from the 'Communist states', a number of other states have described their orientation as 'socialist' in their constitutions." (extracted from Socialist state)

Shouldn´t this actual box name be "Hystory of Socialist States"? And the topics "Current communist states", "Non-communist states with communist majority" and "Previous communist states" replace the word "communist" with the word "socialist"?

And also, all this box content do actually have a full article with tables, flags, dates and this article is called "List of socialist states" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ogat (talk • contribs) 14:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

North Korea should be moved into the "Previous communist states" category

There is no reason for it being still there. De facto, it's been a monarchy for a long time now. De jure, it has been Juche for more than three decades, and has removed any reference of Communism/Socialism or Marxism-Leninism from official documents. --Antondimak (talk) 14:30, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

@Antondimak: See the Socialist Constitution of the DPR of Korea.--Adûnâi (talk) 12:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

There are mentions to Socialism, not Communism/Socialism (in the sense that there are no mentions of Communism as a goal with Socialism as a transitionary phase, like in other Communist states), and there are indeed no mentions of Marxism-Leninism. Only the word Socialist is mentioned, and it's not considered a state ideology, as Juche takes that place. It also is de facto a monarchy. So I don't think it's fitting to include it as a "Communist Nation", just because the word "Socialist" appears in the constitution. In that case many more countries should be included, like India, Bangladesh and Portugal, which also mention the word "Socialism" in their constitutions (and not just in passing). --Antondimak (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

This needs to be consistent with communist state and also, see that references were reinserted in 2020. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

In the lead of the article only China, Cuba, Laos, and Vietnam are mentioned, and North Korea is only mentioned in subsections where it was recently added, where it missing was treated as an error, disregarding past discussions, such as this one, to omit it. Should the discussion be moved to that article instead? --Antondimak (talk) 10:41, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I have no perspective on whether it should be listed: just that the article and template should be consistent. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:23, 19 December 2022 (UTC)