Template:Did you know nominations/The Frog God
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
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The Frog God[edit]
The Frog God
- ... that "The Frog God" (pictured) is followed by "You"?
Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 14:04, 3 March 2016 (UTC).
- How about an April Fools hook: ALT1 ... that You follows The Frog God? -Zanhe (talk) 19:09, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Zanhe: Didn't think of that! Sweet, why not? All game for it appearing on 1 April Kingoflettuce (talk) 23:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately I can't review a hook I proposed myself. Another reviewer is needed. -Zanhe (talk) 04:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
It's ungrammatical. Suggested alt:- ALT2: ... that The Frog God is within you? Gatoclass (talk) 08:03, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- That wouldn't work, and you'd know if you read the article and understand Chinese. Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:21, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- And the point of it being seemingly ungrammatical is of itself the point! As with the other hooks for various other Liaozhai noms... I would find longer hooks less interesting, and to some extent boring, at least in such cases (He is gay would defo get more clicks than...what?), but no offence and thanks for being a friendly random second reviewer of sorts! Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but an ungrammatical hook makes no "point" other than that the sentence needs a copyedit. And this has nothing to do with "understanding Chinese". The "joke", in both your original hook and mine, is that "You" is not the second-person pronoun it appears to be in the hook, but the name of a story. The difference between the hooks IMO is that the phrase "is followed by you" in the original hook is clunky because it's unnatural - nobody talks like that. Saying "the Frog God is within you", however, is a perfectly natural phrase that echoes a common sentiment that God is within oneself. As such, I think it's a more elegant play on words - and therefore funnier. Gatoclass (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Upon further thought, the original hooks (mine + ALT1) are perfectly grammatical. "The Frog God is within you" -- where is that found in the article?? It is before, not within, at the very least. I still think You follows Frog god is a great hook. Thanks Kingoflettuce (talk) 23:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Well yes, the first two hooks are grammatical if you maintain the capital Y for "You" and put it in quotemarks. But then it defeats the purpose of being an April Fools hook because it is obvious that "You" is just another story.
- As for your other objection - your hook is based on the fact that the story "You" follows sequentially from "The Frog God" in the anthology. My hook is based on the fact that the Frog God is a character who appears within the story "You". Gatoclass (talk) 23:21, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, so I see. But that's not the point of the article! The sequel, so to speak, doesn't even have a page. (And I'm unable to start one for various reasons, I.e. accessibility and time) Anyway, I feel the hook should concern THIS story and not the other. Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, come on. My proposed hook is no more or less relevant than yours. Gatoclass (talk) 04:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- I might like to reserve your hook for the nom of a potential article on You, and not this. Hooks should be based on the Main article and not what is secondary to it. What if the Frog God didn't appear in You? My hook would still have worked. Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Again, your hook is no more based on "the main article" than mine. Your argument, in short, is completely groundless. But since you seem determined to find cause for disagreement, we are going to have to leave this nomination to be resolved by somebody else. Gatoclass (talk) 08:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Believe me, I wouldn't start a debate for the fun of it. The subject/object displacement between the two hooks is what I am not pleased with. To demonstrate:
- Again, your hook is no more based on "the main article" than mine. Your argument, in short, is completely groundless. But since you seem determined to find cause for disagreement, we are going to have to leave this nomination to be resolved by somebody else. Gatoclass (talk) 08:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- I might like to reserve your hook for the nom of a potential article on You, and not this. Hooks should be based on the Main article and not what is secondary to it. What if the Frog God didn't appear in You? My hook would still have worked. Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, come on. My proposed hook is no more or less relevant than yours. Gatoclass (talk) 04:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, so I see. But that's not the point of the article! The sequel, so to speak, doesn't even have a page. (And I'm unable to start one for various reasons, I.e. accessibility and time) Anyway, I feel the hook should concern THIS story and not the other. Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Upon further thought, the original hooks (mine + ALT1) are perfectly grammatical. "The Frog God is within you" -- where is that found in the article?? It is before, not within, at the very least. I still think You follows Frog god is a great hook. Thanks Kingoflettuce (talk) 23:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but an ungrammatical hook makes no "point" other than that the sentence needs a copyedit. And this has nothing to do with "understanding Chinese". The "joke", in both your original hook and mine, is that "You" is not the second-person pronoun it appears to be in the hook, but the name of a story. The difference between the hooks IMO is that the phrase "is followed by you" in the original hook is clunky because it's unnatural - nobody talks like that. Saying "the Frog God is within you", however, is a perfectly natural phrase that echoes a common sentiment that God is within oneself. As such, I think it's a more elegant play on words - and therefore funnier. Gatoclass (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- And the point of it being seemingly ungrammatical is of itself the point! As with the other hooks for various other Liaozhai noms... I would find longer hooks less interesting, and to some extent boring, at least in such cases (He is gay would defo get more clicks than...what?), but no offence and thanks for being a friendly random second reviewer of sorts! Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
... that Movie X is followed by Movie Y? VS ... that Movie Y features Z character? The focus and subject of the hooks are completely different. I'd be cool if the nommed article was not on the Frog God story but the Frog God fictional character. The original hook, while being quirky for April 1, stays true to that principle. You seem to be am experienced pedian, so you'd ought to understand where I'm coming from. Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:36, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Would this ALT3 be acceptable to both of you? Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 13:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that The Frog God precedes You?
- I still think "the Frog God is within you", per ALT2 above, is a better hook because it echoes the well-known saying that "God is within you". But I don't want to waste more time on this - the choice of hook can be left up to the promoter. However, we are still waiting for someone to verify the proposed hooks. Gatoclass (talk) 04:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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Reviewer needed to check the proposed hooks.BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
- I still think "the Frog God is within you", per ALT2 above, is a better hook because it echoes the well-known saying that "God is within you". But I don't want to waste more time on this - the choice of hook can be left up to the promoter. However, we are still waiting for someone to verify the proposed hooks. Gatoclass (talk) 04:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Full review needed (only hooks have been discussed thus far). BlueMoonset (talk) 21:40, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
This article is new enough and long enough and I thought the plot section particularly well-written. Either ALT0, ALT1 or ALT3 could be used and are grammatically correct because they refer to the titles of two stories in the book (should they be in italics?). The image is in the public domain but does not add much to the hook, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:37, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks a bunch Cwm. Now would someone please approve this for April 1? (BTW, short story titles are written in inverted commas, not italics, per MOS here.) Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- It doesn't need a separate approval for April 1. Gatoclass (talk) 12:10, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
- REPHRASE: IN TIME FOR APRIL 1 (not a lot of time hons) Kingoflettuce (talk) 13:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
- It doesn't need a separate approval for April 1. Gatoclass (talk) 12:10, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
