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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

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Revolution on Granite[edit]

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Created by Yulia Romero (talk). Self-nominated at 18:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ not done.CrossTemple Jay 16:20, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi crosstemplejay, thanks for your review. I have carried out a QPQ review at Template:Did you know nominations/Paa Kofi Ansong. I did nor pay attention there for a moment and only just noticed that Paa Kofi Ansong was written by you.... (I just thought it would be interesting to have an African DYK.....) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I also reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/National archaeological park of China just in case — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:05, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
QPQ done.CrossTemple Jay 10:36, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I cannot find the hook fact for it being "considered the first of the large-scale radical protest campaigns of Ukraine" in a source; could you point it out to me? Also, there is a significant amount of copying from the source, mostly in the students' demands but also in other places. Please rewrite these in your own language, or put quotes around it. Yoninah (talk) 22:31, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for late response Yoninah, I was busy in the world outside Wikipedia ☺. In the fitst source of the article (by Den it says "One can say that it was then, in October 1990, that the Maidan tradition of the modern history of Ukraine originated" (with Maidan meaning large scale demonstrations on the square Maidan Nezalezhnosti). The last source of the article by Cambridge Scholars Publishing also says that. But at having a second look at it the claim that the 1990 Revolution on Granite is considered the first of the large-scale radical protest campaigns of Ukraine is a bit grotesque.... I made 2 better alt-lines above. And thanks for your help Yoninah. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the alts. But the source says it was "the first peaceful revolution", not "the first of the large-scale radical protest campaigns of Ukraine", as it says in the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
I made another alt.... Since I believe calling the "Revolution on Granite" "the first peaceful revolution" is also grotesque... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yulia Romero: Sorry, ALT4 doesn't make sense to an English speaker. "Maidan" isn't even linked. My point in the previous post was that you are saying something in the article that is cited to a source that doesn't verify that fact. You have to change the article, or get a different source. I think ALT3 is very good; it just has to be stated in the article and sourced appropriately. Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yulia Romero: Thanks for the new source, it's great. Now please use that in the lead rather than footnote 1, and rewrite the sentence there as "the first major political protest" rather than "the first of the large-scale radical protest campaigns of Ukraine". I also added a "clarification needed" tag in the lead. Instead of putting more text in parentheses, why not add a note?
  • For the hook, I suggest translating for our English-speaking readers:
  • ALT3a: ... that the Revolution on Granite was the first major political protest held in Kiev's Independence Square, and its methods were copied in the Orange Revolution and the Euromaidan? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I rewrote the sentence and agree with you that hook ALT3a is the best one to use for Wikipedia's main page 😊 — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:12, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  • OK, we're set. ALT3a hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Crosstemplejay. ALT3a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:25, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Yeah and thanks for making the article better Yoninah 😎! By the way it turned out that the Revolution on Granite is not considered a "Maidan" (as is bluntly explained here (an English language Russian source, hence the "coup d'état" description of "Maidan 2" Euromaidan which is not used in English language mainstream press)); so thanks again for this edit. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:41, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yulia Romero: you're welcome! And thanks for your patience during the process! Yoninah (talk) 00:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
No problem 😊 — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 00:48, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
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