Template:Did you know nominations/Ottla Kafka
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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 00:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Ottla Kafka[edit]
- ... that Ottla Kafka (pictured), who was Jewish and Franz Kafka's favorite sister, died in the Holocaust because she divorced her Catholic husband?
- Reviewed: Deutscher Volksverband
Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk), PumpkinSky (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by PumpkinSky (talk) at 02:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Ottla Kafka (pictured), the youngest sister and closest relative of Franz Kafka, died in the Holocaust because she divorced her Catholic husband?
Article is new enough, long enough and nominated in time. It's neutral and have inline citations. The hooks needs tweaking; saying that she died because she divorced her Catholic husband might be a little wrong even though it is true, but that is maybe what is called "hooky"? Additionally, the "closest relative" in ALT1 is not sourced. Another concern is the notability; from my point of view the only claim of notability is that she is the sister of Kafka and receiver of Letters to Ottla. Mentoz86 (talk) 17:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Comment I found her mentioned as giving him more help than was in the article; added a point and a book reference. In my judgment she squeaks by as notable; even though we would probably not know about her if her brother had not been famous, she is discussed as doing things, as well as being the recipient of his letters. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for improving! - By "closest" I tried to summarize that he felt closest to her of all his relatives, she received most letters, he stayed with her and received her care when he was ill. That is sourced. If you can word it better, great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok. I still found the lead-sentance "was probably also his closest relative" as this is from my point of view your opinion, so I don't think ALT1 should be used. But the original hook is good to go. Mentoz86 (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- I added quotes, concluding that "dearest" (Liebste) (his POV, not mine) would be better than "closest":
- ALT2: ... that Ottla Kafka (pictured), the youngest and dearest sister of Franz Kafka, died in the Holocaust because she divorced her Catholic husband? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- This is better. PumpkinSky talk 19:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
