Template:Did you know nominations/Inuit clothing
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 07:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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Inuit clothing
Sealskin woman's parka discovered at Qilakitsoq in 1972, carbon-dated to c. 1475
... that archaeological evidence indicates that the traditional skin clothing of the Inuit may have been developed as early as 20,000 years ago?Source: * Kobayashi Issenman, Betty (1985). "Inuit Skin Clothing: Construction and Motifs". Études/Inuit/Studies. 9 (2: Arctic policy): 101.
Reindeer hide parka with dog fur trim around the face, unspecified Alaskan Inuit group
- ALT1:... that modern studies have shown that the traditional skin clothing of the Inuit, especially the characteristic fur-trimmed hood (pictured), is the most effective winter clothing ever created? Source: Cotel, AJ; Golingo, R; Oakes, JE; Riewe, RR (2004). "Effect of ancient Inuit fur parka ruffs on facial heat transfer". Climate Research. 26 (1): 77–84. doi:10.3354/cr026077. ISSN 0936-577X.
- Reviewed: Mineko Nomachi
- Comment: Mainspaced from user draft on August 27. This is still kind of being worked on, but it's reasonably complete, so I figured I'd get the DYK going before I forget. There are two potential images depending on the hook. If the first hook is used, the image of the Qilakitsoq parka is probably better as it is more historical. On the other hand, the image of the dog fur-trimmed parka is better for the second hook as it demonstrates the face-warming ruff.
Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Self-nominated at 08:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC).
Substantial article on fine sources, thank you! Offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I have slight reservations about the hooks. In the original, the date is contested, - should we perhaps say what's sure, which I think is impressive enough? The image caption for that hook could do without the discovery, to be more concise. The ALT, - I can't see the general "winter clothing" in the article, just "the most efficient system for preventing heat transfer from the face". Both images are licensed, the second shows better in small size. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)- (edit conflict) Gerda caught most of what I was going to say. Just FYI Sinews of Survival p. 11 says 23,000 to 24,000 years ago. Perhaps use "over 20,000"? Also, I'd like to see pronouns other than 'it' being used for infants and children. gobonobo + c 11:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I rewrote the first History paragraph so it's more up to date (Sinews is newer than the other Kobayashi Issenman source so going to assume more correct about the dates also). Gerda Arendt, good catch, I plucked an interesting fact from the source without actually putting it in the article - duh :) Probably better to match the hook to the image, so before I go rewriting the hooks, can you confirm which image you prefer at the DYK size? (The placement of the images on this page is backwards to what I wrote in my text so I want to make sure we're looking at the same one.) As to the pronouns thing, Gobonobo, I reworded it to mostly remove the use of "it" for children, although it's not grammatically incorrect, just a matter of preference. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'd prefer the furry one going with ALT1, but if you prefer the other, that's fine as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm cool with taking the ALT1 branch. Here's a rewrite:
- ALT1-A: ... that modern studies have shown that the characteristic fur-trimmed hood on traditional Inuit skin clothing (pictured) is more effective at preventing heat transfer than manufactured winter clothing?
- Does that work? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Not quite, which may be my German background, where "manufactured" would mean "made by hand" which is true for the traditional (also).
ALT1, but open for changes. I added pictured there. Just will be away until Wednesday, and want to do something. - No rush to show winter clothing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)- In English "manufactured" has the specific subtext of artificial or automated production. If you knitted a sweater you wouldn't say you manufactured a sweater - you'd say you made it. But in any case, the point of ALT1-A was to more closely match what's in the article per your initial critique - is it ok in that sense? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, any thoughts? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- English is difficult, and forgot the Latin origin from manus=hand and factum=made, but I believe you. Both ALT1 and ALT1-A are approved. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'd prefer the furry one going with ALT1, but if you prefer the other, that's fine as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- I rewrote the first History paragraph so it's more up to date (Sinews is newer than the other Kobayashi Issenman source so going to assume more correct about the dates also). Gerda Arendt, good catch, I plucked an interesting fact from the source without actually putting it in the article - duh :) Probably better to match the hook to the image, so before I go rewriting the hooks, can you confirm which image you prefer at the DYK size? (The placement of the images on this page is backwards to what I wrote in my text so I want to make sure we're looking at the same one.) As to the pronouns thing, Gobonobo, I reworded it to mostly remove the use of "it" for children, although it's not grammatically incorrect, just a matter of preference. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
