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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by feminist (talk) 02:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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Instagram egg[edit]

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Created/expanded by SamHolt6 (talk), Nixinova (talk), AceTankCommander (talk), StrayBolt (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) at 16:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC).

  • Doing a more thorough review, I see a few more issues:
  • The hook doesn't make it clear whether it's the most liked post on Instagram of all time or the most liked post online of all time. The article says both (the second would obviously be more significant). If you mean the second, then that's not directly cited in the article; the only citation following the claim taking the world record for the most liked online post is this which doesn't mention anything about the egg.
  • There's a citation needed tag in the history section
  • Anastasia Denisova, a researcher of internet memes at the University of Westminster, compares it to the campaign to get a British research vessel named Boaty McBoatface, which is not in a quote, is almost directly copied-and-pasted from https://www.wired.co.uk/article/instagram-egg-world-record.
  • Besides the AfD problem, the issues pointed out above are fairly minor. Overall, the article appears to be well-written and I absolutely love the hook. --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 00:31, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @SkyGazer 512: Aside of the fact you shouldn't have moved the nominations page because it has made a bit of a mess with the redirect, the AFD has been closed as no consensus so the review can proceed. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: Hmm, from what I know the nomination page should be moved if the article is moved during the nomination, but if I'm wrong please let me know and I'd be happy to self-revert. But to me, it just doesn't seem to make sense to have the nomination under a different title than the article. What mess has been made with the redirect? I've fixed the transclusions on Template talk:Did you know and Talk:Instagram egg. And for user talk links and such, the redirect exists anyways so it's not like it's a dead link. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
  • But yeah, the AFD and move discussion have been closed now and the article has not been deleted or merged so this can continue. Before this is eligible for approval, the issues I pointed out will need to be resolved; also, On 18 January 2019, the account posted a second picture of an egg, almost identical to the first one apart from a small crack on the top left hand edge. As of 21 January 2019, the post accumulated 7.7 million likes. needs sourcing - it looks like that was added after my original review.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:37, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The offending copy/paste lift of language has been rewritten.
I can't find a source for the 50.3 million hits. Since I didn't put that information in, can somebody tell us where it came from?
The present hook is not mine. My original hook (which got messed up with the formatting) was simpler. In any event, the draftor of this hook should comment. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
FWIW, I put in ALT 1, which was the hook I originally proposed. It may not be as 'hooky' as the other, and I defer to our overlords. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:06, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I posted the new draft for the DYK. I thought it sounded better. AceTankCommander (talk) 20:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. It's a Wikipedia community effort and it's all Okay with me. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:12, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Citation needed is taken care of. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:52, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
@7&6=thirteen: Thanks. I also made ALT 2, which is slightly changed. AceTankCommander (talk) 00:17, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm good with any of the hooks. I leave it to the review and the promoter to make their choice. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:58, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - This source, which was added to two previously uncited paragraphs, does not support a lot of the material there. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to have two paragraphs supported solely by Instagram. In addition, unless I'm missing something, neither of the sources in the second paragraph seems to support that the egg post became the most-liked post ever online.
  • Neutral: No - I might be being too picky here, which if I am I apologize, but "The significance of the event and its massive republishing is itself controversial" doesn't seem to be explicitly mentioned in the quote and seems more of a vague interpretation.
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - As above, unless I'm missing something, neither of the sources in the second paragraph seems to support that the egg post became the most-liked post ever online.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I've finally done a full review. Thanks to everyone for addressing the issues that I pointed out, but as you can see, a few more issues remain before this is DYK ready. My hook preference is ALT2, but of course only if we can find a source for it. Best, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I believe I fixed the issues. AceTankCommander (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
I have re-reviewed the article now and it's closer but there are still a few minor problems:
  • I still don't see where any of the sources say that it's the most-liked post online; all of them just say it's the most liked post on Instagram.
  • Neither of the sources after the sentence It continues to post frequent updates in the form of Instagram Stories seem to support that material
  • Not sure where source 19 directly supports It is seen as a triumph of community over celebrity
  • Tapping a heart pictogram is easy, and eggs are lovable really seems out of place. Anyway we could incorporate this better, maybe give attribution to who said this to avoid the appearance of an unencyclopedic tone, or put this in quotes?
The article is definitely coming along. There are a few more suggestions I have, particular about sourcing, but they're quite minor and unlikely to be worth bringing up. After all, this is DYK, not FA. :P--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 23:15, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Let me start with point 3. I've added another source. One of these says: "The Instagrammer’s success is a rare victory for the unpaid viral campaign on social media. “There is a bit of an anti-celebrity revolt here – ‘look what we can do with a simple egg’”, says Anastasia Denisova, a researcher of internet memes at the University of Westminster, who compares it to the campaign to get a British research vessel named Boaty McBoatface." That should answer that question. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
As to point 4, "As Vogue observed, tapping a heart pictogram is easy, and eggs are lovable." That should answer that question. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Point 3 and point 4 look fine now, thank you.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
It looks like the Verge article supports the Instagram stories line. AceTankCommander (talk) 15:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
The main issue I had still exists: I can't find a source directly supporting that it became the most liked content in the world. I don't see how the quote provided from the Guardian ref supports that. Pinging AceTankCommander. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:22, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
As the nomination hook itself stated and cited" The Washington Post article says in its headline: "Congratulations to this egg on becoming Instagram’s most-liked post ever" "Ten days later, we can report that the egg has done it." Source: Congratulations to this egg on becoming Instagram’s most-liked post ever 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Welp, I'm not sure how I missed something so obvious, I'm sorry for not seeing that. In that case, ALT0 and ALT2 should be fine. I'm not sure about ALT1, as it's really not something that you can directly support with a source or add to the article (neither of these conditions are met currently).--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:26, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@7&6=thirteen: ALT1 has now been stricken, so that problem is solved. I've done a quick review of the article, and there are sourcing improvements that could be made, but I don't consider them substantial enough to be an issue. ALT0 and ALT2 are supported by the Washington Post reference, cited in the article, and interesting. I prefer ALT0 as it is clearer than ALT2. I hate to put this on hold any further, but there is a copyvio/close paraphrasing issue in the article. Much of the fifth paragraph is directly copied from this source (see [1]), so please fix this and then this can probably be approved. Thanks!--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Wait, actually I misread the Washington Post reference, I apologize. It says to become the most liked post on the platform, ever, Ten days later, we can report that the egg has done it, and Congratulations to this egg on becoming Instagram's most-liked post ever. It mentions nothing about being the most liked post in the world or of all time, only about being the most-liked post on Instagram. I accidentally read "most liked post on the platform" as "most liked post on any platform". Therefore, neither ALT0 or ALT2 are correctly cited; either a new source saying that it became the liked post of all web content will need to be found or a new hook will need to be suggested. Thanks and sorry for not catching that before.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:29, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Rewrote paragraph 5. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
@7&6=thirteen: I think I was being a bit unclear. I meant the fifth paragraph of the History section, not the overall article (the paragraph you tweaked was okay as far as copyvio goes). I thought I had clarified that in my original post, but it looks like I didn't, so my apologies for that. Once this is fixed, the primary thing (and likely the only thing) that is holding this nomination off is that none of the hooks will work, because they're not supported by a source; see my post above. Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 00:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
@7&6=thirteen: Hi, any update regarding ALT0 and ALT2?--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 03:45, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I deleted the original.

I made it ALT3 to "on that platform." I struck ALT2, per your critique. You win! I disagree entirely with how you are reading the sources, but I give up. You can lead a horse to water ... Now can we get this approved? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

  • ALT4 * ... that an image of an egg posted on the social media service Instagram became the most liked post on that platform of all time?
@7&6=thirteen: I am very sorry that you feel given up. I assure you that all I have tried to do with this nomination was follow the criteria and make sure the article and hook meet them, and I did not mean to discourage you or not listen to what you have to say in any way, shape, or form. If I have done so I sincerely apologies. My intent is not to "win", just to not have unsourced material appearing on the main page. If you disagree entirely with how I am reading the sources, I'd be more than happy for you to point out what you think I'm misreading. The way I understand the Washington Post ref, it's saying that the egg's goal was to make it the most-liked post on all of Instagram, and it then says that the egg completed that goal 10 days later. It's saying that for Instagram only, not on any platform. Am I missing something? It's perfectly possible that I am!
Anyways, ALT3 or ALT4 would be fine as hooks, thank you for the new suggestions (although I'm not seeing any difference between the two hooks). The info about being the most-liked post of all time might should be removed from the article as well, but again, the way you're reading the sources may be correct in which case such info shouldn't be removed. There are a few other points in the article where a source doesn't support something or it's not very reliable, but none of them are substantial enough to hold off this nomination any longer. Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 My talk page 21:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
SkyGazer 512 You do what you have to do. I am not telling you how to function. Does this mean that the article passes, fails, or needs work? You chose not to give it a tick, which is your perogative. After two months of this, I have very little enthusiasm for continuing butting my head against a wall. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC):
User:7&6=thirteen Because there doesn't seem to be a source supporting that it became the most-liked post on any platform (correct me if I'm wrong though), it should likely be removed from the article to comply with policies as required by the DYK criteria. Sorry, I kind of buried that in a bunch of text in my previous post. Besides that, the article looks sourced well enough and neutral enough for DYK purposes and I'm not able to find any copyvio/close para anymore. Therefore, this should be gtg besides the most-liked post on any platform thing!--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 02:42, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
SkyGazer 512 Added citations. I think that should cure the problem. Note ping does not work for me. Write [[User:7&6=thirteen]]. Cheers.
I think this is good to go now. It mostly meets policies and guidelines and is fully compliant with important ones, such as copyright. I've added a note regarding the most-liked post of all time, hopefully it makes the verifiability clearer. Thank you for addressing the issues I pointed out. Also thank you for the notice about the ping, I enclosed the = in brackets so that the template wouldn't be messed up completely, but apparently it also made the ping not go through. Let me try one more thing: 7&6=thirteen, does that work? :)--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 18:36, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Message received. Thanks for your patience and help. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:22, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
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