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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 09:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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Indonesian Christian Student Movement

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Improved to Good Article status by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: @Jeromi Mikhael: I notice you have been writing hooks that disguise the names of people and organizations. It would be more helpful to international audiences to link the actual names. In this case, you could write: due to its support of President Sukarno. Yoninah (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

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@Yoninah: Oh. I think that makes it more interesting. I'm sorry then.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: Well, interest is subjective. If you're Indonesian, you know who the president is. If you're not, you don't. I didn't mean for you to change the whole hook. I've restored the thread and struck ALT0 and ALT1. I'll do the review shortly. Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, the article received a GA icon within 7 days of this nomination. It is new enough, long enough, well referenced. As sources are either foreign-language or offline, unable to check for close paraphrasing. My main concern with the article is the grammar. I spent some time editing the first section and found a basic misunderstanding of English grammatical usage. Looking at the first sentence in the next section: After the recognition of Indonesia's independence by the Dutch, both student organizations still exist.—there is a past-present conflict with the use of "After" and "still". Similarly, the sentence: Since 1963, GMKI became more socialistic—should read either After 1963, GMKI became more socialistic, or: Since 1963, GMKI has become more socialistic. I do not have the patience to edit the whole article and think this should have been covered in the GA review. I suggest that you apply for a copyedit at WP:GOCE before this nomination proceeds further.
  • Regarding the hook fact, I don't really see it stated in the article and there is no inline cite. No QPQ necessary for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 18:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, I don't understand your last comment. Yoninah (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Jeromi Mikhael: Jenhawk777 has done an edit on the whole article. I will take a look at this again when I'm a little more awake. There is still the manner of the hook fact and inline cite. Yoninah (talk) 19:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Jeromi Mikhael: OK, the article has been edited and we can continue the review. Per WP:DYK#Cited hook, the hook fact must be immediately followed by an inline cite. Please add a cite to this sentence: Beginning in 1963, GMKI became more socialistic and supported Sukarno's policy of continuous revolution. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
*@Jeromi Mikhael: Thank you. I searched on 1963 in the source and found this excerpt, which I ran through Google Translate:

Kongres IX berlangsung di Pematang Siantar tahun 1963. Kongres X berlangsung di Manado tahun 1965. Pada Kongres ini, GMKI menyatakan dirinya sebagai anak kandung Gereja dalam Revolusi Indonesia dan sebagai organisasi kader dan bukan ormas (organisasi massa). Hal ini berarti bahwa sikap dan tindakan GMKI diidentikkan dengan Gereja.

The IX Congress took place in Pematang Siantar in 1963. The X Congress took place in Manado in 1965. At this Congress, the GMKI declared itself the biological son of the Church in the Indonesian Revolution and as a cadre organization and not a mass organization (mass organization). This means that attitudes and actions GMKI is identified with the Church.

  • Where does it say it adopted socialism beginning in 1963 due to its support of Sukarno? Yoninah (talk) 08:51, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Please stop reviewing my works. You've ruined practically everything I've nominated. I hope I'll never see you again. Thanks. Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 09:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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