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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Health issues in American football[edit]

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Improved to Good Article status by Toa Nidhiki05 (talk) and ChrisPond (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 11:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC).

  • I'd like the hook (and maybe the article) to be more clear on two points: is this pro football, college, HS, weekend? And what counts as an "injury" to form the denominator? Beyond that... not that we're here to here to SOAPBOX, but I'd really like to see the hook focus on the emerging evidence about serious longterm brain injuries and demetia. Maybe someone can, er, take that ball and run with it. EEng (talk) 23:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I think the source tries to take them all into account, and given that its the US National Library of Medicine/National Institutes of Health, they should be fairly well placed to get stats for it. Alt 1: ... that it is estimated that 43,000 to 67,000 American football players suffer from concussion each season? Alt 2: ... that it was only acknowledged in 2009 that concussions suffered in American football can lead to long-term brain injuries? Is tha the sort of hook you were thinking? Dementia's a bit shaky here, a 2009 NFL report which even the "report's own researchers questioned the reliability of some of the data-gathering methods employed by the study". Thanks, Matty.007 09:32, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd phrase it a bit differently.

I encourage random editors to help make sure the final hook is ironclad. Another angle would be the $765 settlement. EEng (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Alt 4: ... that in August 2013, the National Football League pledged $765 million to medically examine former NFL players and for research and education purposes? Doesn't really work I don't think. Thanks, Matty.007 20:07, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Matty007, why don't you choose the hook you like best and we'll Shanghai a reviewer for you. EEng (talk) 18:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

(As an aside, there is a dot in my username between the Matty and 007, you're pinging my alt account.) Hmm. It is crazy money, so perhaps something about that (Alts 4 and 5)? Thanks, Matty.007 19:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
  • As one of the main writers of this article, I just want to note that there is another article specifically related to concussions, Concussions in American football. I understand the desire to have a concussion-related DYK hook due to it's notoriety, but I would recommend the hook somehow relate to the broader scope of this topic. I'd suggest the following hook:
    ALT6 ... that concussions are the fifth-most common type injury in American football, possibly affecting over 100,000 players each year? Toa Nidhiki05 20:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, the article nominated here gives the ALT4/5 facts, and properly so, so there's no reason they can't be used. Your ALT6 is OK too, but I'd still prefer ALT5. I leave it to Mattydot007. EEng (talk) 20:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

If one of the article expanders has put in a request, I think it's only fair to honour that request (i.e. favour Alt6). Thanks, Matty.007 08:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Full review of nomination needed now that hook issues have been discussed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Article is long enough, satisfies recency requirement (Good Article promotion on July 15), is neutrally written and uses in-line citations. The alt 6 hook is short enough and interesting. However, I'm not finding that hook fact in the article. Can Matty or one of the writers direct me to where that can be found. Spot-check does not turn up plagiarism, copyright issues or unduly close paraphrasing. No QPQ required as this is not a self-nomination. Cbl62 (talk) 04:55, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I now see the chart listing the most common forms of injuries with concussions ranking fifth. I also see the bit in the text saying that: "The most common types of injuries are strains, sprains, bruises, fractures, dislocations, and concussions." The chart simply combines strains and sprains as a category. The article which is cited as the basis for the statement is from a reputable journal but it's not accessible to me, so I assume good faith. Accordingly, alt 6 should be good to go. Cbl62 (talk) 05:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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