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The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 01:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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Emily Donelson

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Improved to Good Article status by Thebiguglyalien (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 19:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Emily Donelson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Onegreatjoke: This is a fascinating article, thanks for picking this up and nominating it -- really got lost in it. Some minor notes:

  • The hook as it stands isn't exactly in the article. It currently says that, "Due to her sickness, Donelson effectively stopped serving as White House hostess in 1834," which I feel is different than "resigning". The article also doesn't say that this illness specifically is tuberculosis-- she dies from the disease later in 1836, but this is back in 1834. I'd make an ALT that would say "due to illness" or something like that (even though it's slightly less interesting that way).
  • Secondly, I think that this is a prime example of an article that would do well with a picture -- File:Emily Donelson.jpg is public domain and would definitely be suitable (and can likely be reasonably cropped to fit the bill here). Nomader (talk) 22:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
@Nomader: So how about "... that Emily Donelson stopped serving as First Lady of the United States due to the fact that she was going to die from an illness? Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
@Onegreatjoke: I'm fine with this ALT. The above hook is approved and is present and cited in the article.
@Onegreatjoke and Nomader: This may be nitpicky, but I don't think the hook is quite right. She didn't stop serving because she was going to die; she stopped serving due to illness, and then died two years later. Perhaps the hook could be reworded to that effect. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
"... that Emily Donelson stopped serving as First Lady of the United States due to an illness that would later kill her?" Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
The trouble is, as Nomader said above, the article doesn't say that the illness in question was the same illness that killed her. The hook would literally have to state both facts separately, i.e. "...that Emily Donelson stopped serving as First Lady of the United States due to illness, and died two years later?", but I don't know if that's interesting. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 20:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry I missed that in the ALT that Onegreatjoke proposed after I made a flag of it in my initial review. I feel that it could be interesting if it was just the illness part of it? Some ALTs below (the second is me just throwing out a curveball). Nomader (talk) 07:11, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
  • "... that Emily Donelson stopped serving as First Lady of the United States due to illness?" I think as an ALT it has enough mystery on its own without death here.
  • "... that former First Lady of the United States Emily Donelson died two days before her husband returned to their house?"
You second ALT doesn't really work for me (not enough context), but the first one looks good. If Onegreatjoke is happy with it, I think we can approve between us since it's only a slight change from the original. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm fine with it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Reaffirming Nomader's tick from earlier, with the ALT as proposed above: "... that Emily Donelson stopped serving as First Lady of the United States due to illness?" Sojourner in the earth (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
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