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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

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Edward Ardolino

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  • ... that Edward Ardolino sculpted and carved Art Deco architectural works which were part of the central Los Angeles Public Library and the Nebraska State Capitol? ...that Edward Ardolino sculpted and carved Art Deco architectural works for the central Los Angeles Public Library and the Nebraska State Capitol? Source: Aumonier, here, there, there, there, there, there and finally
    • ALT1:... that architectural sculptor Edward Ardolino was responsible for stone carvings at the National Archives Building, Christ Church Cranbrook, Princeton University Chapel and the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, among others? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Moved to mainspace by E54495a (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment: You need to say WHEN it was moved to mainspace, especially when there are many hundreds of edits, as here. It was 21 Feb in this case. I won't review but some of the sculpture terminology is oddly used. One caption says the piece was "sculpted" by A and "carved" by B. The distinction needs to be clarified - presumably B was working from A's modello. Johnbod (talk) 04:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
Reply User:Johnbod Moved February 21, 2020. Nominated for DYK February 28, 2020. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I will review, but first, it need copyediting and the bare links need to be converted to references. --evrik (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
No bare links. What copy editing do you want? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:57, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
  • also, there is an unsourced statement. --evrik (talk) 04:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Maybe I used the link terminology incorrectly, but I went in and fixed it. New enough, long enough, 5x expansion, passes earwig, qpq done. Per my note above, there is at least one unsourced statement. Not a requiremnt, but with his body of work, are there more than two pictures of his sculptures? --evrik (talk) 05:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • As the first major contributor of the article Edward Ardolino who moved the article to the main space on February 21, I'm responding to the DYK nomination. Thank you for considering this article as a DYK. I have the answer to your question about the unsourced statement, plus an ALT DYK hook and two quick requests for help.
  • 1)Regarding the unsourced statement under the Legacy section which says "60% of Ardolino's known works have achieved landmark or historic status or reside within an historical district," this statement was based on a simple arithmetic calculation. I believe it's stated within Wikipedia's practices or policies on sourcing that simple arithmetic calculations (like percents) do not constitute primary research and are allowed. I calculated the 60% by first totaling the number of his works followed by superscript 'A', plus all 4 of the works in the Federal Triangle section, plus all of those under the Landmark/Historic Works section and using this as the numerator. Then I totaled all the works listed in the article and used that as the denominator. The numerator was divided by the denominator to get the percent, about 60%.
  • 2)I would like to suggest an ALT DYK hook, as follows: "DYK that architectural sculptor Edward Ardolino was responsible for stone carvings at the National Archives Building, Christ Church Cranbrook, Princeton University Chapel and the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, among others?" Citations for all of these are within the article. I can give you the Reference numbers if you wish.
  •  Done I preferred the original hook, which is supported by many sources. Better understood landmarks. Fewer readers know the places listed in the alternate. But I am grateful for this review, and this is not worth arguing over. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:24, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • 3) I made a few revisions within the last several hours, among them, I added the URL for Ref. 14, Ardolino's NYT obituary via Proquest to make it accessible for readers. If I have done this incorrectly, could you kindly assist by adjusting it as needed? I noticed my other Proquest URLs have been adjusted. Or, must we say Subscription required?
  • 4) Finally, I'm requesting help with one simple (but apparently not for me!) correction. Under the section Other Works, the 10th entry down is National State Bank. At the end of the line there is an asterisk. The asterisk is supposed to be an 'H', which refers to a Note, already entered. Can you kindly change the asterisk to a superscript 'H'? (I see from other entries a code is used that consists of [Efn-ua], but I don't know how to employ it. Thank you.
  • If there is anything else I can do to help, please advise me. E54495a (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your help on Point 4.
  • About the ALT DYK, I made the ALT suggestion because the first one is not entirely accurate: "Ardolino sculpted and carved . . ." No, there is confusion here between sculpting and carving. Lee Lawrie is credited as the sculptor for these two buildings. There is no doubt about that. Edward Ardolino, Inc. is the carver in both instances, but by looking closely at the article, you see that one of his staff is credited elsewhere with carving the ten exterior panels on the Nebraska State Capitol. I chose the four buildings I did because there is documentation of Ardolino doing the actual carving, i.e., National Archives: he was invited to sign the pediment by the sculptor Weinman; Cranbrook: I used a photo of Ardolino on the scaffolding performing the carving as a reference; Princeton University Chapel: the chief architect lauds his work as the best anywhere and a University publication credits him as the sole carver, both statements cited in the article; Cathedral of St. John the Divine: NY Times articles note his presence onsite. For all these reasons, I ask you to reconsider substituting the ALT DYK hook I presented. E54495a (talk) 13:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I guess I misread you on the ALT DYK hook. I thought you were holding out for the original hook, but I believe you are willing to change to the ALTernate as I asked. Thank you. E54495a (talk) 13:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I appreciate your input. I don't read all the sources in the way you do – WP:Verifiability, not WP:Truth – but I defer to your judgment. I appreciate that you became actively involved in getting this through the process. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I am requesting a new review after the recent set of edits. --evrik (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

New reviewer needed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Fresh review from scratch. Definitely long-enough, easily satisfies notability requirements. My spot check did not catch any close paraphrasing. A lot of sources are paywalled, so accepting AGF. I like the original hook, except that I would prefer "...that Edward Ardolino sculpted and carved Art Deco architectural works for the central Los Angeles Public Library and the Nebraska State Capitol?" This version is less wordy. I wouldn't hold up approval though, I'll let prep builders have the final say here.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 00:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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