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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by SL93 (talk) 17:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
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Discrimination against people with red hair

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A Uyghur child with red hair
A Uyghur child with red hair
  • ... that referring to someone with red hair (pictured) as "a ginger" can be offensive?

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 20:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC).

  • Interesting article! New enough, long enough, sourced, and AGF on the plagiarism-free because Earwig seems to be down. However, I have problems with the neutrality of the hook and article. The sourcing you provide doesn't seem to bear out the idea that "ginger" as a noun is seen as definitively or widely pejorative, as the article says. You cite the Irish Times, Al Jazeera, Psychology Today, and The Guardian. The Irish Times cites opposing viewpoints from people who don't think the term is offensive, suggesting a kind of "no consensus". Al Jazeera's work is an opinion piece, so it doesn't necessarily reflect the wider views of the red-haired community. Psychology Today does support the idea of the term being widely viewed as pejorative, but it does say "usually" and I don't necessarily view PT as the most rock-solid source, although it seems fine. I see no mention in The Guardian's article on whether or not the term is seen as pejorative.
Other neutrality issues:
  • The article says "children with red hair suffered a wave of assaults" in relation to "Kick a Ginger Day"—while that is horrid, the article it cites only mentions a handful of cases. A "wave" makes it seem like there was a dedicated assault from backwards bigots, and not a few teenagers being stupid.
  • The television program South Park has become known for promoting abuse against people with red hair. The fact that South Park humourizes or even trivializes violence against people with red hair does not equate to the show blatantly encouraging said violence, and i don't see the cited sources bearing that out either.
  • Mentioning the Halle Bailey/Ariel incident of the lead being criticized for ginger hair without putting it in the context that said criticism was itself criticized in The Guardian's opinion piece for being dogwhistle racism isn't a neutral point of view.
  • Stereotypes about red-haired people that aren't derogatory or discriminatory aren't within the scope of the article.
If the article and hook were both changed to "is perceived by some" to not put it in Wikipedia's voice, that'd be a pass, but I also think there's more interesting hooks to be had, if you're open to that—I've suggested an alt and I may suggest more—let me know what you think. Overall, this is a fascinating article, and I hope to see it run on DYK. Cheers, and don't forget a QPQ! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 06:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Aighty, I gotta sleep—I'll finish this review in the morning. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 09:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
@Chetsford: I think I've finished my review for now. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 05:14, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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