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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:52, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Deep Adaptation

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  • that the climate science paper Deep Adaptation inspired thousands of people to join a movement? Source: "It has now been downloaded over half a million times, translated into a dozen languages, and sparked a global movement with thousands of followers - called Deep Adaptation, because Bendell calls on people to adapt their lifestyle to cope with the harsh conditions in his vision of the future." [1]
    • ALT1:that the climate communications paper Deep Adaptation has been downloaded over 600,000 times? "More than 600,000 people have downloaded Bendell’s paper, called Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating our Climate Tragedy." [2]
    • ALT2:that climate activists warn that the "doomist framing" of the paper Deep Adaptation, which argues that civilizational collapse is already inevitable, threatens to "[lead] us down the same very path of inaction" as the worst climate deniers? "What's more, Mann claims, Bendell's 'doomist framing' is 'disabling' and will 'lead us down the very same path of inaction as outright climate change denial. Fossil fuel interests love this framing.'"[3]
    • ALT3: ... that Jem Bendell's paper Deep Adaptation argues that because climate change-induced collapse is inevitable, society needs to plan for a post-collapse future? "By the near term, he means less than 10 years from now. By social collapse, he is speaking of unpredictable and interrelated breakdowns, in affluent as well as poor countries....How do we “adapt” to that? By accepting that the world as we’ve known it is ending, he says, then beginning to envision whatever new one can be built on the ruins."[4]
    • ALT4: ... that Jem Bendell's popular paper Deep Adaptation argues that nothing—from a complete halt in emissions to geoengineering—can prevent what he sees as an impending climate apocalypse? "Even if we ceased emissions tomorrow, Bendell argues, the latest climate science shows that “we are now in a climate emergency, which will increasingly disrupt our way of life ... a societal collapse is now inevitable within the lifetimes of readers of this paper.”[5] "Bendell acknowledges that some researchers have suggested developing geoengineering as an emergency backup plan for cooling down the planet in case global warming runs faster than current projections suggest. But he dismisses it as a potential way to ameliorate climate change because he thinks that its unpredictability will prevent its deployment."[6]
  • Reviewed: My third nomination for DYK.
  • Comment: Moved to mainspace on April 20 after a short user draft.

Created by Jlevi (talk). Self-nominated at 21:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC).

  • Both hooks sound rather vague: the first doesn't really say more about the movement or how it "inspired thousands", and the second doesn't really say much more. Could something more be said about the paper? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
  • As most readers will not be familiar with the subject I think it would be enough of a hook just to say something basic about it: for example "Deep Adaptation is A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy" or "Deep Adaptation will soon be needed after human civilisation breaks down" Chidgk1 (talk) 10:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • I think ALT4 is the strongest. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Full review needed now that new hooks have been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Article is new, long enough, with no major issues (though it does lean a bit heavily on direct quotations). QPQ is exempt. As mentioned above, hook Alt1 is uninteresting. Alt2 is too long, and struck. Alt3 needs an end-of-sentence citation in the article. The article would need to mention carbon taxes and describe the "climate apocalypse" as part of Bendell's views in order for Alt4 to pass. Alt0 isn't that bad, but I'd also prefer Alt3 or Alt4, so marking this as requiring further action. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Does this diff satisfy the changes for Alt3? Does this diff satisfy the suggested changes for Alt4? Thanks! Jlevi (talk) 02:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes and yes, though the as a result of the latter edit the citation no longer appears at the end of the "The paper describes..." sentence; I've re-added it. (I realise it's rather redundant, but it's a requirement for DYK). One final thing: what is the intent of placing 'post-collapse' in single quotation marks? The phrase doesn't appear in the citations, and I notice you've used double quotation marks elsewhere, so a distinction appears to be being made, but it's unclear what. (The MOS only specifies single quotation marks for plant cultivars, simple glosses, and quotes within quotes (WP:MOSSINGLE).) --Paul_012 (talk) 10:16, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Good question. I think I'm just using scare quotes because I am uncomfortable discussing civilizational collapse in wikivoice (since it's a pretty darn fringe viewpoint). I think I'm being too restrictive, though. Given that the context of the content section as Bendell's viewpoint is quite clear, I don't think it's necessary. I removed the single quotes from the hook and the article for now, and am open to your thoughts. Jlevi (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it's an improvement. Approved Alt3 and Alt4. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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