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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 09:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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COVID-19 pandemic in the Navajo Nation

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  • Reviewed: QPQ exempt

Created by FrogginFroggy (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used, hook sourced and correct. Andreas JN466 12:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Returned from prep; hook needs more work, or another hook should be suggested. Here is the discussion from WT:DYK:
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Prep 5 suggestion re COVID-19 pandemic in the Navajo Nation[edit]

Template: Did you know nominations/COVID-19 pandemic in the Navajo Nation.

@FrogginFroggy, Jayen466, and Yoninah: I looking through the preps, and noticed this hook, based on information from May 19, 2020. The source would seem to be CNN Coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases. The Navajo Nation pretty much is the Four Corners area of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and (I think) Colorado. When I look at the current stats on the CNN map, it shows an area in Buena Vista County, Iowa that (as of today) has a per capita rate of 8,491 per 100,000 - which looks like more than any of the Navajo nation. Since CV-19 tracking is a fluid situation that varies from day to day, could we get a hook that is more flexible? — Maile (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe something like "DYK the Navajo Nation has a higher per capita COVID-19 infection rate than any state in the US?" I looked into other county rates and it seems there are several US counties with per capita infection rates higher than the Navajo Nation. See this NY Times page. However, no state has an infection rate higher than the Navajo Nation. The Navajo have over 3,000 cases per 100k people with New York coming in second with jst over 2k per 100k. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrogginFroggy (talk • contribs) 19:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, the point is, that those figures are fluid and change everyday. By the time this hook is on the main page, there could have been a huge outbreak somewhere else. Something of this importance on the Main Page, should not be outdated information. If you wanted to have a hook that said something like, " ... as of (a given date) ... " that might be workable.— Maile (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Maile66: Something like, "DYK During the COVID-19 pandemic, as of June 11, 2020 the Navajo Nation have a higher per capita infection rate than any other state in the U.S.?" FrogginFroggy (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I think if you change "has" to "had", the hook is workable. — Maile (talk) 21:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
However, the NN has tested over 26% of its population - no other state comes close (New York is next with 19% I believe, and most of the rest are much lower i.e. Florida 6%). I think you'd have tweak the wording to reflect that. Higher testing means that you pick up the asymptomatic cases as well as those presenting at hospital, whereas states with lower testing don't. Black Kite (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
@Maile66, Black Kite, and Yoninah: I'm good with that if you all are. Thanks for all of your feedback! FrogginFroggy (talk) 01:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
We're really trying to write a hook here, not a news item. I don't find the ALT2 hooky at all. I think we should return this nom to the nominations page for further work. Yoninah (talk) 01:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 Done Since the set is about to be moved into the queue, I've returned the hook to WP:DYKN and copied this discussion on the template. Yoninah (talk) 11:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT3: ... that during the COVID-19 pandemic, as of June 11, 2020 the Navajo Nation had a higher rate of infection and a higher testing rate than any U.S. state? FrogginFroggy (talk) 00:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I think it's better to pipe the bolded link to reduce wordiness, like this:
  • ALT3a: ... that as of June 11, 2020, the Navajo Nation had a higher per-capita rate of infection from COVID-19 and a higher testing rate than any U.S. state?
  • Also, keep in mind that this is not going to run before July 1 at the earliest, so updates are in order. Yoninah (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@FrogginFroggy and Yoninah: I'm OK with both of them. I added "Nation" to ALT3, which I assume you meant, because otherwise it refers to a race. Persons of Navajo heritage live in more places than what was surveyed for that testing rate. Navajo Nation refers to their reservation territory. — Maile (talk) 00:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Maile ALT3 doesn't say "per capita", per the source. Yoninah (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah Strike ALT3 and just leave ALT3a?
  • Maile I think so. Using "COVID-19 pandemic" as the bolded link isn't very interesting anyway. Yoninah (talk) 12:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I came by to promote this. June 11 doesn't appear in the article anymore. What's going on? Yoninah (talk) 11:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah Looking through the article history, I'm not sure if June 11 was actually in the body. It appears it was at least in the infobox, which changes the dates and figures regularly, and got updated here. — Maile (talk) 19:23, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Maile66: well, the lead isn't changing, and the hook fact is there, sourced to an article from May 19. So should we change the approved hook to:
*ALT3b: ... that in May 2020, the Navajo Nation had a higher per-capita rate of infection from COVID-19 and a higher testing rate than any U.S. state? Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah if you like, you can now go with ALT3a. I found sourcing and stats to back it up and have edited the article appropriately.1 — Maile (talk) 20:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Maile, thank you. And what about the testing rate? Yoninah (talk) 21:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah Could you just leave out the word "testing"? It's meaningless, and those two sources don't use it. How else do you find out who has the virus without testing? That's the only way doctors find out what anybody has on anything. It's all testing stats ... all over the world. — Maile (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Maile, I also don't like it, and I think it weighs down the hook. But that was something that Black Kite commented on in the discussion above. Personally, I think it's time to get a new hook. Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that as of June 11, 2020, the Navajo Nation had a larger per-capita rate of infection from COVID-19 than any U.S. state? — Maile (talk) 21:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Let's. Just. Do. It. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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