Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Cantor-Jackson
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:54, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Betty Cantor-Jackson
- ... that Betty Cantor-Jackson, recorder of the 1000 "Betty Boards" tapes, originally started working with the Grateful Dead because of her interest in researching and trying LSD? Source: NPR
- ALT1:... that Betty Cantor-Jackson recorded over 1000 unique tapes of the Grateful Dead, Legion of Mary, the Jerry Garcia Band, and Old & In the Way but lost them to a storage auction after she couldn't pay the fees? NPR
- Comment: Just promoted through AfC. It's worth noting that Betty specifically included her research interest and personal experimention with LSD in the major interview, so I wouldn't say there's any BLP issue.
Moved to mainspace by Gdschiltz (talk). Nominated by Nosebagbear (talk) at 22:38, 17 August 2019 (UTC).
- How about this? ALT2 ... that longtime Grateful Dead audio engineer Betty Cantor-Jackson's recording of their Cornell 5/8/77 concert was selected for inclusion in the National Recording Registry of the Library of Congress?
— Mudwater (Talk) 23:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
- I mean obviously it's accurate, and reasonably interesting, I'd have just said it was less "Hook-y" than the other two Nosebagbear (talk) 23:35, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
- How about this? ALT2 ... that longtime Grateful Dead audio engineer Betty Cantor-Jackson's recording of their Cornell 5/8/77 concert was selected for inclusion in the National Recording Registry of the Library of Congress?
On it.— LlywelynII 20:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Well long enough [~5k elig. char.]; timely move to mainspace; BLP in effect but sourced throughout (ref to Paumgarten should mention it's from the New Yorker); grammar muff in the section headings (fixed); some minor copyvio ("left them to rot", "production manager, engineer, road manager", etc. need to be reworded); ALT1 a bit too long but could be reworded; ALT0 unsupported since she met the band looking to score LSD but joined them years later for an entirely different reason, per the NPR source anyway; ALT2 too boring to mess with. Any album important enough to have a Wiki page can get LOC recognition; they have the same job we do. — LlywelynII 20:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments and article improvements, @LlywelynII:. On the copyright front I've removed everything that I could that wasn't either a quote or fewer than 5 words or so. Added the publisher. I've slightly tightened ALT1 into ALT3 below (I think it's 194 characters vs 202). Nosebagbear (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- ALT3:... that Betty Cantor-Jackson recorded over 1000 unique tapes of the Grateful Dead, Legion of Mary, the Jerry Garcia Band, and Old & In the Way but lost them when she couldn't pay the storage fees? NPR
- [As amended] ALT3 G2G. You need to keep those definite articles, so to keep it under 200 I just moved the "storage" and removed the "auction". If you don't get into the odyssey to bring the tapes back together from the whirlwind they've been through, I don't think the auction bit is critical here; if you feel differently, go ahead and remove the tick and we can try another ALT =). Thank you guys for the article. Keep on truckin'. — LlywelynII 02:05, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hey folks. This is all sounding good. But I think we're not quite there yet. "... but lost them when she couldn't pay the storage fees" might confuse readers into thinking that she lost the tapes in the sense of misplacing them or losing track of where they were, instead of losing legal possession of them. — Mudwater (Talk) 02:25, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- See this is why people should have double-barreled names...it makes it harder to fit them in DYKs. The lack of foresight! Nosebagbear (talk)
@LlywelynII: I think something extra is needed, and I've tried it by returning auctioned, but a more significant rewording of the hook could also work. I reckon ALT4 has 198 characters (when could be changed to as for 2 fewer). Nosebagbear (talk)
- See this is why people should have double-barreled names...it makes it harder to fit them in DYKs. The lack of foresight! Nosebagbear (talk)
- ALT4:... that Betty Cantor-Jackson recorded over 1000 unique tapes of the Grateful Dead, Legion of Mary, the Jerry Garcia Band, and Old & In the Way but they were auctioned when she couldn't pay the storage fees?NPR
- Eh, I think we just ignore Mudwater as he's not the reviewer and there's nothing in the rules about not confusing readers. H(is|er) objection is well-meaning but mistaken. It doesn't matter how she lost them and curiosity just makes people more interested in the hook and what happened. The fact that she lost them is accurate, sourced, and checked.
Pending promoter approval, I say we keep ALT3, which is G2G. Personally, I find it more interesting than ALT4 or any "clearer" phrasing. — LlywelynII 12:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Eh, I think we just ignore Mudwater as he's not the reviewer and there's nothing in the rules about not confusing readers. H(is|er) objection is well-meaning but mistaken. It doesn't matter how she lost them and curiosity just makes people more interested in the hook and what happened. The fact that she lost them is accurate, sourced, and checked.
