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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

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Architextiles

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  • ... that architextiles, a textile-based approach in architecture, is creating innovative, interactive and live designs? [1]: 5–20 
    • ALT1:... that architextiles is better able to respond to society's rapidly changing cultural and consumer demands, allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event-based, and process-based spaces? Source [2]: 5–20 
    • ALT2:... that architextiles architextiles can better respond to society's rapidly changing cultural and consumer demands, allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event, and process-based spaces? Source [3]: 5–20 

Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 09:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC).

  • The hook here has little or no meaning, looks just like marketingspeak. Readers, if they are tempted will come away from the article thinking "How on earth do textiles influence architecture. This article doesn't tell us. Nom has also not quoted us the source upon which this hook is supported by. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 18:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
  • RAJIVVASUDEV, the ALT hooks do read like overhyped publicity; allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event, and process-based spaces is the sort of prose you get in ads. Indeed, all three hooks contain MOS:PUFFERY, which is why I've struck them. The article should avoid puffery as well even if it is in a source, since this is an encyclopedia. A specific example of architextiles might do better as a starting point for a hook. The article also needs a copyedit before this nomination can be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset:Thank you for your review and comments; I will make the necessary changes, though allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event, and process-based spaces are some of the critical characteristics of architextiles. I value your advice. Regards RV (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Kindly have a look at the revisions. Thanks RV (talk) 09:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Just to note that the latest hook suggestion (ALT3) has moved the marketingspeak away from the hook, well done. Unfortunately, the suggested source is pure marketingspeak, bereft of meaning, and only supports the fact that something called "Hylozoic Ground" appeared at the biennalle, but doesn't inform us what it is. I also note that our article for Hylozoic Ground is a stub written by nom, and is very sparse on meaning too. This should not go on the main page as a DYK. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 09:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
  • RAJIVVASUDEV, I'm not going to have time to give the article a full review, but there have been improvements in the tone of the article, for which I thank you. Reading it anew, there are things that stick out to me, including the very broad claim in the lede of Architextiles are satisfying the need of today's society that requires flexible, interactive, and process-based spaces. Do they really satisfy the need completely, which this implies? If not, then this is overstated. (I couldn't read the linked citations, so I don't know how far they go.) Are they perhaps one way/method to help satisfy the need?
The "Architextile ensembles" subsection needs more work: each of the three sentences has issues. The first has grammatical issues and "collection and blend" needs to be rephrased. The second sentence is a "For example", but the first item seems itself to be a superset of what follows, and the individual (technical) methods that follow should be wikilinked wherever possible, with the conclusion "are all" rather than "all are". The third sentence mentions "multidisciplinary branches", but then enumerates people in those branches almost entirely rather than the actual branches.
There are a number of further examples I could give: the article still needs a great deal of work before it's ready for DYK. The Prehistoric Traditional fabric structures similar to tents were found 150000 years ago. is another strong (and frankly dubious) claim that absolutely needs to be sourced and rewritten: the use of "Traditional" is dubious unless they've found several of them (and even then, it probably wouldn't be safe to go beyond "common"), and "found 150000 years ago" is simply not possible to document (we don't know anyone who existed 150000 years ago): if it had been found recently and dated to 150000 years old that's one thing, but you only cite one structure found dating from 13,000 years ago, an order of magnitude younger. "Historical structures" needs work in the introduction, the list (which is not grammatical and does not adequately explain some of the entries), and the use of the auctorial "we" in the sentence below the list is not encyclopedic and needs to be recast.
I'm sorry this isn't better news. Perhaps you can find another editor to help you work on the article. Best of luck! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:11, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
BlueMoonset Thanks for your time and help. Best regards. RV (talk) 05:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
As per advice, changes have been made. Thanks RV (talk) 01:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Full review needed to see whether issues have been addressed, and whether article meets the DYK criteria, including prose. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • RV, I don't think this is quite ready yet. Here's a list of sentences that I don't find quite neutral. Feel free to object to any of them—and keep in mind that a good workaround for some of these is to attribute inline, instead of deleting.
  1. Architextiles help in providing flexible, interactive, and process-oriented spaces.
  2. It brings together professionals
  3. Lightweight, pliable nature, the paradigm, and various manufacturing techniques are some of the textiles' characteristics.
  4. Textiles inspire architects with their diverse properties, allowing them to express ideas in architecture and create spaces that are sensitive to their environments. this can't be attributed, this has to be tamped down
  5. Architects experiment with origami and three-dimensional fabrics in order to create dynamic and adaptable structures. also can't be attributed
  6. The dazzling tents, is this a name?
  7. Here are some examples of innovative, interactive and live designs of textile-inspired architextiles:
  8. In particular, it suits short-lived, temporary, and transportable structures. Programming is adjustable as per the requirement. Architextile demand is influenced by cultural, economic, and societal changes. For instance, the need for fast transformation of buildings in Tokyo and Los Angeles, drives the demand for innovative architect. There are other factors such as demand of light, smart, and re/deconstruction models. this entire paragraphed needs to be tamped down and/or attributed in different places
  9. Through sensing, processing, and actuating enhancements
  10. Architextiles are a stage in the evolution of spatial design towards more advanced architects.
  • Unencyclopedic, if not promotional, language:
  1. The other examples are: and Here are some examples of innovative, interactive and live designs of textile-inspired architextiles: the second one can be deleted
  2. it's a 40-storey building made by Peter Testa. He describes it as "Woven building". "it's" shouldn't be used, and it should be "as a" and "Woven" shouldn't be capitalized.
  3. It is an installation by Philip Beesley (Professor of University of Waterloo.) → "Philip Beesley, a Professor..."
  4. Architextiles is not a new concept; numerous historical architectural examples demonstrate that it has been used since ancient times. ancient times is vague; This should say something like "Examples of architextiles have been found dating back to..."
Theleekycauldron I appreciate your observations, kindly allow me to work on the same. Best regards RV (talk) 02:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • RV excellent work! I made a couple of tweaks, as long as you're on board, that part is good to go. Moving on to a full review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - I'd prefer if ALT3 didn't link to Hylozoic Ground—it's probably going to attract a lot of attention (possibly more so than the bolded article) and should be more up to snuff. This is my personal preference, though.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Almost there—ALTs 3 and 4 aren't that interesting, but ALT5 could work with some tweaks. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I have fixed ALT5. Kindly have a look. Thanks RV (talk) 02:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
@RAJIVVASUDEV: my apologies, I meant ALT3. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:01, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: No issues at all. I hope it is fixed now. Please advise. Best regards RV (talk) 07:51, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
RV, sorry if I wasn't clear—I was fine with the original ALT3, I just didn't want it to include a wikilink to Hylozoic Ground, because its article doesn't provide enough information to be linked on the main page. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: ALT8 is similar to original ALT3 (without the wiki link to Hylozoic Ground). By the way, I removed wikilink from the ALT3 as well. Kindly see if it is okay? Regards RV (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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