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Moved[edit]

The name is "Organization", per its CA site and the CA press.- Sinneed 16:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OR[edit]

I flagged some bits, they were replaced with detailed OR and the flag removed. Restored the original, non-libel version of the OR, and restored the flag. Sources. These are press organs, they can be cited or left out.

Copyright[edit]

Yet another Satanoid/Morbid Fairy/Heliosphere copy/paste. Either we must (and generally should) use our words or wp:QUOTE theirs. Warning yet again.- Sinneed 16:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hope to expand Milewski content[edit]

His article has a lot of good content about the WSO and its positions. This has been on my list for a while, but I knew the article would be so very very VERY contentious I was not creating it. And it is.

Please - I ask that reverting be avoided as much as possible. Please leave sources in, flag, and challenge them.- Sinneed 16:44, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added quote= since the quotes themselves were not enough.[edit]

wp:SELFPUB would apply. These are their claims. If they claim to be a non-profit (I note idly that many terror organisations are non-profit), then generally it is safe to accept that they are. Someone will surely say so if they are not... if the organisation is notable.- Sinneed 17:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the topic notable?[edit]

Hi I have been asked by User:Heliosphere to share few ideas and by User:Sikh-history to be civil in that effort. at the outset I would like to confess that I dont have much idea about the topic 'WSO' but as a fan of wiki I want the wiki entry to give me some basic idea abt the topic. One very important fact missing is where is HQ of WSO what is the status of its finances who were its leaders/founders but before that the fundamental question as to whether the article satisfies the test of notability as WP:ORG. Has WSO been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, verifiable, independent secondary sources not just some offhand media circles. Once I took part in a discussion on the notability of head of a sikh organisation and one of the editors wrote something to the effect that there may be groups in peru who may espouse some cause (with 'world' in the title) and may have a website and blogs written on them but that does not mean that they would be notable. So before we start developing the article we must determine if the topic satisfies the criteria of notability. LegalEagle (talk) 03:44, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that clicking either the news or books link above will just about put the wp:NOTE question to bed. Providing a wp:BALANCED view will be essential and perhaps more difficult... views may tend to be polarized.

Keeping to generally wp:reliable sources rather than OR with citations that don't cover it, as well.- Sinneed 04:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Litigation[edit]

I think we have to be very careful in this article, as from what I understand WSO has already filed writs against other organisations for defamation. Cheers --Sikh-History 09:53, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1st: Does this belong here?

2nd: Thus, one should only put the reworded content into articles that has been published in generally wp:reliable sources, rather than placing one's own opinions into the article.- Sinneed 13:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I dont want to be preachy or give unsolicited info, but as to the legal threats of filing for defamation, there is a universal rule that truth is an absolute defense so just to repeat Sinneed's argument if the source was reputable and authentic then there is no chance of succeeding in any defamation suits. However, in my limited experience in wikipedia, this is the first time I found any fellow editor discussing about possible litigation, I would refer to WP:DOLT and WP:NLT for further info on this topic. Happy editing. LegalEagle (talk) 01:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What I am talking about some use of heading by another user (article Sikh Extremism), where this organisation was put under the heading of such groups. Thats a bit naughty. Cheers --Sikh-History 10:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cut from lead. Needs sources that actually support it.[edit]

Easily re-added. Been flagged since creation and has not been sourced.

"Some media organisations view it as a Khalistani front for establishing a Sikh state in India."

This was sourced to:

"Witness intimidation a serious problem, Air India inquiry hears". Canada.com. 2007-10-29. Retrieved 2009-09-24.

"SUBMISSIONS BY THE INTERVENER WORLD SIKH ORGANIZATION OF CANADA BEFORE THE COMMISSION OF INQUIRY INTO THE INVESTIGATION OF THE BOMBING OF AIR INDIA FLIGHT 182" (PDF). www.majorcomm.ca. Retrieved 2009-09-24.

But neither says these things.- Sinneed 21:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]