Talk:William of the United Kingdom

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Requested move 9 July 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:55, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

William of the United Kingdom → Prince William of the United Kingdom (disambiguation) – This is my first requested move in Wikipedia, so I apologize in advance if something is not done properly.

My rationale for moving this disambiguation page is simple - I believe that my suggested retarget better encapsulates the content listed and complies with Wikipedia guidelines. All of the target links in this disambiguation, many of which I have recently added, are specifically about princes of the United Kingdom named William.

Yes, there is a king, William IV, that is also listed on this page. However, William IV was not only born a British prince, but he was even titled Prince William, Duke of Clarence and St. Andrews before his ascension, as noted in the disambiguation. More importantly, per the guidelines established at WP:NCROY, the format "(name) of (country)" implies a king/queen or emperor/empresses. Based on this logic, "William of the United Kingdom" will unambiguously refer to King William IV until at least the time when the current Prince of Wales/Duke of Rothesay possibly inherits the British throne, which means that the title as is technically should not exist as a page whatsoever.

Although I expect this request to be approved, I am also anticipating controversy for the following reasons.

A.The purpose of this article's existence has been questioned. However, I have since added multiple British princes named William to this page, which should emphasize why this disambiguation is needed.

B. Two of the princes listed were technically not princes of the United Kingdom, but of the Kingdom of Great Britain, a predecessor state. (Just in case you do not understand why this distinction matters, please consult this diagram). However, William of Great Britain already redirects to this disambiguation page, hence why I listed the two princes at the bottom of this page. I am also willing to accept Prince William of Great Britain (disambiguation) as a compromise new title if necessary.

C. I am aware that residents of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the other Commonwealth realms may object to the primary topic of this disambiguation being called Prince William of the United Kingdom, given that the Prince of Wales/Duke of Rothesay is expected to inherit those thrones as well. However, as written, this page is specific to the United Kingdom, and I have added a note dissuading any editors from trying to highlight William's ties to other countries. Furthermore, the Prince of Wales/Duke of Rothesay was not only born in the United Kingdom, but he has not lived in any other Commonwealth realm except Belize, where he took a gap year. (On a side note, as an American, I have only ever seen the media in my country refer to the Prince of Wales/Duke of Rothesay as a prince of the United Kingdom or erroneously of England, definitely not as "Prince William of Belize"!)

Thank you for your understanding. I look forward to a productive discussion over the next seven days. Hurricane Andrew (444) 23:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move as an unnecessary complication, and suggest reverting to version pre 9 July, which disambiguated the two people likely to be known by this title, or at the least bring them to the top identified as "commonly refers to", before listing the various others as "May also refer to". Help the reader find what they are likely to be looking for. PamD 09:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I agree with PamD that this is an unnecessary complication and the article should be reverted to pre-July 9 version. The other entries added since then should go to Prince William (disambiguation). estar8806 (talk) ★ 12:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I'm in full agreement with PamD and estar8806. This truly is an unnecessary complication, and that the article should definitely be reverted to pre-July 9 version. RicLightning (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move and revert the 9 July additions, which ~~are all are already listed on~~ should be transferred to Prince William (disambiguation). Rosbif73 (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there doesn't seem to be an argument that the current Prince William is the primary topic. I agree with "unnecessary". I've reverted some of the fait accompli changes, count me as "neutral" on a full revert. Walt Yoder (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I concur with the above statements. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:11, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.