Talk:Werribee DVD incident

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Move[edit]

Shouldn't this be at Cunt: The Movie?--HamedogTalk|@ 08:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support such a move.--cj | talk 01:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst I would support this move in principle, it would also mean that I wouldn't be able to read it whilst at work :( Cnwb 02:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO no keep it as is. While the change sounds good initially this article is going to be about more then just the DVD. It's likely to cover issues such as any trial the alleged perpetrators of sexual assault face etc. The DVD may have been the catalyst for this but it's just one issue in the whole controversy. Nil Einne 09:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually let me put that a different way. If we were writing this like the Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith featured article for example then maybe we would call it Cunt: The Movie. But we aren't and won't be. BTW, I noticed that all 3 of the new Star Wars movies and Padme whatever are features articles as are several Dr Who related articles. Shows the interests of contributors & editors I guess :-P Nil Einne 11:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Nil Einne that "Cunt: The Movie" is probably not a good title. However, I don't understand why it's called "2006 Melbourne teenage DVD controversy". There doesn't seem to be anything controversial about it. It's hard to come up with a good title, but I think that "2006 Melbourne teenage DVD incident" would be better than the current title. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 14:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Jitse: controversy is a very appropriate word here; describing this as an incident or simple misconduct is using weasel words. Most civilised Melburnians are disgusted by this story, but to use words such as scandal, outrage or disgrace are probably not NPOV. Also bear in mind that it has taken four months for this act to reach the attention of the authorities, which is sure to generate controversy itself as criminal charges begin to be laid. Bear in mind that anything stated in this article should be verifiable, unless contributors wish to be held liable for contempt of court. The title of the movie is not the main issue here, and should therefore not be the title of the article. Philip Legge phi1ip@netscape·net 05:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Remember BLP[edit]

A quick reminder. Although this article is not a BLP, the principles still apply when it comes to any living persons including the alleged victim and the alleged perpetratos and people who sold the DVD. See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons if your not sure what this means. BTW, as it stands the article looks fine so just take care with any additions as this develops Nil Einne 09:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Everything should come from news sources. We have had a few kids claiming to be primary sources and witnesses, but that isn't acceptable on Wikipedia. Harro5 09:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For this reason, I removed the following sentence: "On October 28, 2006, the MySpace accounts of four of the boys were hacked by Encyclopedia Dramatica members, displaying "I raped her and I have no remorse. She was retarded" in large letters in their About Me sections." This needs a source. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 01:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help me[edit]

Helen Coonan, the federal Minister for Communications, Information Technology and the Arts, said that the DVD was "a sobering reminder of the underbelly of the internet. While undoubtedly it is a remarkable resource with many positive uses, its ubiquity across the globe means criminal acts are increasingly being captured on video and streamed around the world in seconds."[8]

The above doesn't make much sense. Why would the DVD be a reminder of the underbelly of the internet? Looking at the reference it appears she is talking about the fact chatrooms were used to contact the girl and the fact this stuff can appear on sites like YouTube (as it did). She is not talking about the DVD in particular here and that doesn't really have anything to do with the internet (except perhaps they used the internet to get software to make their DVD). Somone needs to work out a way to improve the wording Nil Einne 15:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't you realised yet? Teh interwebs is responsible for everything bad. :) Cnwb 22:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nil, you may not be aware of this, but the Federal Minister for Communications took over her a job from a man described by The Register as the biggest luddite in history, and her political affiliation might lead some people to think she would like to be the Australian Supernanny of the Internet. To be serious however, Senator Coonan is referring to the interconnection of Internet and information technologies that have been abused in this case:
  1. the sexual assault victim being selected and preyed upon by using MSN chat;
  2. the ubiquity of DV cameras and computers to capture and edit footage from a variety of sources to create a DVD;
  3. a website such as YouTube allowing thousands of people all over the world to witness a crime as though it were "entertainment".
If you actually look at the original article you cited, you will see Senator Coonan is not referring specifically to the DVD itself, but to the whole series of events that Wikipedia has provisionally described as the "2006 Melbourne teenage DVD controversy" (i.e. read the reference in order to better understand the citation). That said, perhaps the paragraph you quote could be phrased better. Philip Legge phi1ip@netscape·net 06:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, looks like someone's already corrected the reference along these lines anyway :) Philip Legge phi1ip@netscape·net 06:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Er yes, that's what I was trying to say... She wasn't referring to the DVD in particular. But the above sentence suggested she had which made no sense since the DVD itself had nothing to do with the internet really. The whole incident might have, but the DVD didn't. I was suggesting that someone correct it since I couldn't be bothered to work out how to do it, and to make sure my understanding was correct Nil Einne 19:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, the only thing I cited was a paragraph from our wikiarticle which I felt was inaccurate. I didn't add it and I didn't cite the Senator. As I said, I did read the reference, and reading the reference it appeared she wasn't talking about the DVD but the incident. That was another reason I raised this issue Nil Einne 19:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


YouTube removal[edit]

"] On October 25," What year? I don't have a clue or I'd fix it myself.

2006. ViridaeTalk 12:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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