Talk:Use of cluster munitions in the Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 July 2023[edit]

This edit request to Use of cluster bombs in the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The current statement in the article reads: "The use of such weapons against civilians violates the principles of humanitarian law and therefore constitutes a war crime." but that is not what the source reads and the statement itself is absurd: obviously, a deliberate use of ANY weapons against civilians is a war crime.

The source actually states: "the use of cluster munitions in populated areas is incompatible with the international humanitarian law principles."

Considering the nature of the controversy, the article should be corrected as sourced: "international humanitarian law principles" does not necessarily translate into a war crime. War crimes are those violations of international humanitarian law that incur individual criminal responsibility under international law, where use of say, nuclear/chemical weapon of mass destruction (WMDs) is decisively prohibited methods of warfare and/or prohibited means of warfare, but that does not necessarily extend into use by conventional bombs devised into clusters. Some things are considered legal means to exterminate one another because we are all civil animals that must be able to kill one another, as opposed to pure monsters.

Basically, the proposal is to read what the source says: "The use of cluster munitions in populated areas is incompatible with the international humanitarian law principles" without further exaggerating the statement with a notion that it is a "war crime." If it is indeed a war crime to use cluster bombs, per se, the United States cannot send cluster munitions to Ukraine, for that same reasons it cannot send chemical weapons to Ukraine. Litesand (talk) 04:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. It's not clear which source you're referring to and the use of cluster munitions against civilians would indeed constitute a war crime. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Careful and "limited" Use of Cluster Bombs[edit]

Now that the US are about to supply the Ukraine with these indiscriminate weapons, should not this article avoid giving the impression that the Ukrainians will use them in a careful or "limited" way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.158 (talk) 12:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]