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this article is of poor quality, especially the aftermath section. what proof is there that millions of Chinese were slaughtered? North China still maintained a much larger population throughout the Sixteen kingdoms period and Southern-Northern Dynasties period.

There is no mention of the 16 kingdoms period in this whole article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.241.0.20 (talk) 15:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ge Jianxiong's "History of Chinese Mouth" pointed out that before the rebellion, there were about 20 million Han people in northern China, and then only a few million remained due to killings, famine, and plague. At that time, the vast majority of the population in the north were barbarians, of which the Xianbei people were the largest, and many of the current Han people are descendants of the Xianbei people. 李双能 (talk) 03:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Title change - Upheaval of the Five Barbarians[edit]

I propose we change the title from "invasion and rebellion of the five barbarians" to "upheaval of the five barbarians." The current title is very long and unwieldy. The term "upheaval" also more closely matches the Chinese name for the event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ratata6789 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This rebellion is not a foreigner invasion of China[edit]

To say that these barbarians are foreigners is a completely false statement. Who are Li Te and Liu Yuan who started the rebellion? Li Te was a peasant of the Jin Dynasty, whose ancestors had lived in Sichuan and Gansu for generations, and Liu Yuan was also a native of the Jin Dynasty, and he considered appointing him as the commander-in-chief of the unified war during the reign of Emperor Wu of Jin, and he later returned to Liishi as a general of the Jin Dynasty.

Before the outbreak of the rebellion, there were already 1 million Xiongnu, 1 million Qiang, 1.5 million Di, and 2.5 million Xianbei living in the territory of the Jin Dynasty. China is a multi-ethnic country, it has been since ancient times, and although the Han are the main ethnic group and the rulers, this does not affect this fact.

Because of the decline of the Jin Dynasty and some unfair ethnic policies, it led to the emergence of the Five Hu Chaohua. From the establishment of Later Zhao to the Sui Dynasty, the Hu people were the main inhabitants of the north, and later a large number of Hu people changed to Han people, which made the number of Han people become considerable again. A large part of today's Han people are descendants of the Five Great Hu people. 李双能 (talk) 03:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]