Talk:United States v. Progressive, Inc.

Kennedy 1991 = good source

• Kennedy, Caroline (1991). In Our Defense: The Bill of Rights in Action. Avon Books. pp. 37–55. ISBN 0-380-71720-4. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

I'll try improving this article with this source soon. ;)—Cirt (talk) 18:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Related articles with some good sourced info

1. Teller–Ulam design#The Progressive case – the "secret", along with a brief account of the case
2. History of the Teller–Ulam design#The Progressive case - additional information on the case

These sects of these two related articles have some good sourced info that could be incorporated here into this article, as well. ;)—Cirt (talk) 18:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Removed newly added info from sect, Background

Removed newly added info from sect, Background. Let's please not get into the habit of adding info without page numbers in cites, let's maintain a high standard for new info added to this page, please.—Cirt (talk) 05:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Page numbers are desireable but not a requirement. I do not think it is even reasonable to have them everywhere. I am an editor of a scientific journal and we never require page numbers (nor they are required in a dozens or so journals where I have published). Not to mention that some sources such as online books do not have page numbers at all. Nor they are common in encyclopedias. Please do not impose your own rules. If you wish to add page numbers, go for it, but please do not delete sourced material. - BorisG (talk) 12:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The article is currently undergoing a major revamp. Inline citations are absolutely required for verification at higher assessment levels, and these require page numbers. (See WP:CITE) It is unreasonable to ask the spot checkers at FAC to find a single fact in a whole book or article. Since you have the pages in front of you there should be no difficulty providing the page numbers. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:14, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I fully agree with this comment by Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs), especially the part about FAC.—Cirt (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Bibliography sect

Suggest we junk it or move it to the talk page. It's not really doing anything at the moment, and eventually we'll substitute it with Notes and References sect.—Cirt (talk) 06:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I have renamed them "Notes" and "References". I have them all here, all will be used, so please do not delete. Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay great, sounds perfect!—Cirt (talk) 17:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Article to create

• Robert W. Kastenmeier United States Courthouse
  • File:Robert W. Kastenmeier United States Courthouse.jpg

— Cirt (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

• The courthouse photo is nice, but I would prefer the magazine cover in the infobox. It tells the reader what the case was all about. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree here. The tradition for most Wikipedia articles about U.S. court cases is to have the seal of the court in the info box, for a federal court case. This picture is a temporary holding place for that seal of the federal court.—Cirt (talk) 21:41, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Ah! No worries. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Although the court is correct, I do not think the case took place at the pictured courthouse, but at Warren's courthouse in Milwaukee. can you verify this. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
        • But isn't the court building for United States District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin this one?—Cirt (talk) 02:13, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
          • It wasn't in 1979. The building in the photo wasn't constructed until 1984. See: http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/103994 As for resolving the venue, even though the case was assigned to the Western District of WI, Warren was an Eastern District Judge and it looks like it was indeed tried in Milwaukee. See middle of first paragraph: http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/ucollr61&div=10. Mojoworker (talk) 04:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for this info! So what building would that have been?—Cirt (talk) 13:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Which building do you mean? Based on this I would say the that the Western District building at the time was File:WI-Madison 1929 Ref.jpg which is now the Madison Municipal Building. If you mean the Eastern District Milwaukee Court, it looks like it's the Federal Building (Milwaukee, Wisconsin). Mojoworker (talk) 19:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Heh, well I mean which building did this court case take place in?—Cirt (talk) 22:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

According to this (p 202), the one in Milwaukee. It appears when Judge Doyle recused himself, this Western District case was heard by Warren in his Eastern District court. Mojoworker (talk) 23:54, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks, swapped image out. :)—Cirt (talk) 02:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Date format should be USA

Date format should be USA. I notice so far the text uses both conflicting USA and UK date formats. This case is entirely about USA material, so it should use USA date format.—Cirt (talk) 21:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I will make sure that they are consistently in mm dd yyyy format. It is not UK format, but US military format, which is always used in our US military articles. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh, understood, thanks!—Cirt (talk) 02:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Prior restraint - more info

The sect on Prior restraint should have some history and background info on prior legal doctrine and case precedent on prior restraint law in the United States.—Cirt (talk) 23:12, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

See also sect

Not sure why stuff was removed from See also sect?—Cirt (talk) 23:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Probably because they are linked in the article, see WP:SEEALSO. SatenikTamar (talk) 09:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

That would be right. The last one on the list, New York Times Co. v. United States, will almost certainly disappear too. FAC doesn't like See Also sections, but we need one to hold all the portal boxes... Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Well I hope we at least keep the ones currently there now. :)—Cirt (talk) 15:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Over-burdened by background ?

This article is supposed to be about United States v. The Progressive, but it seems to be getting over-burdened by background info. Maybe we can trim some sects down, with links in those sects to more info on the respective parent articles?—Cirt (talk) 23:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I am not going to touch the parent articles, but I will trim a paragraph out of each subsection. In the meantime, feel free to fill in the Prior Restraint Section Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Yup, currently doing research on that sect, reading through sects of some great books pertaining to that sect. ;)—Cirt (talk) 05:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Improvements?

Has the great improvements to this very interesting article some time ago ceased altogether? The User 567 (talk) 09:56, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Not permanently. I will get back to it soon. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:08, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Detailed Teller-Ulam design online

So if Wikipedia is not censored, does that mean that if someone happened to know the details behind the Teller-Ulam design they could add that information to either this or the Teller-Ulam design article; assuming the reference was from a peer reviewed journal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CensoredScribe (talk • contribs) 19:27, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they would be welcome to do so, so long as the information was from a reliable source. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:18, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ray Kidder

The important role played by Ray Kidder deserves a mention. Accordingly, I have added a paragraph and three footnotes. HowardMorland (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

The Argonne and the Hansen letters

I cleared up some confusion about which letter was published by the Daily Californian (it was the Argonne letter, not the Hansen letter). In adjusting the footnotes I used the page numbers from the online pdf version of the DeVolpi, et al. book, which are different from the hard copy page numbers. HowardMorland (talk) 05:01, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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