Talk:Underwater speed record

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the original article appeared to be a copy/paste to or from here. It is entirely possible that the howstuffworks article in question was copied from wikipedia, but this age of the howstuffworks page points to THEM being at fault. Either way, I modified the article so that it isn't a question. Protonk (talk) 00:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Running Critical[edit]

The source I have added is a book called running critical. I think it is authoritative, and the talk page on the 688-class submarine article has some comments I've made to substantiate it. I would be MUCH happier if I had other sources at hand, but I don't. Protonk (talk) 00:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shkval and German Torpedo[edit]

Sources out there exist, and I might find them, but whoever posted the German source might come back and do some translation for us. Protonk (talk) 00:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense[edit]

There seem to be some people who believe that the government is engaging in some conspiracy to hide the REAL speed of submarines from the public, that the REAL speed is something like 70mph or higher. Every reliable, verifiable source says otherwise. Please don't add supposition, conjecture or theory on this page or any other page regarding submarine speed. Protonk (talk) 00:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are the one publishing nonsense!!!!!! I have information and witness accounts for speeds of naval surface vessels as well as submarines. The speeds achieved are far in excess of the 30-35 knot nonsense you are putting forth. I have spoken with various naval personnel connected with such operations. We know for example based on a FOIA request by the NY Times, that the SS United States absolutely attained approximately 44 knots, over 50 mph. The NY Times obtained this information for a feature story on the ship published long ago. Given that information, we can estimate the speed of nuclear aircraft carriers with higher available power, more hydrodynamic hulls, and similar wetted area to be in excess of the speed of the SS United States.

Please, do not insult our intelligence with this 30 knot b.s. In fact, I would prefer you remove this speed record content altogether instead of putting forth absolute rubbish like 30 knot top speeds. Give me a break! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.200.194.140 (talk) 15:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]

More Nonsense[edit]

The black marlin absolutely cannot go 82MPH. That is a completely ridiculous claim that can be debunked by going to the page on the black marlin and seeing that the maximum speed is more like 22MPH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.85.52 (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Papa class submarine[edit]

Submarine of 661 project - Papa class - reached 44.7-knots speed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.25.82.190 (talk) 13:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Record?[edit]

Hasn't anyone noticed that despite the page being titled "Underwater speed record" it in no way establishes what the underwater speed records are?

Doesn't that make this page a useless misleading waste? Is this just someones self indulgent excuse to speculate about fast submarines.

Should not articles with a specific name be about that subject address the subject? Wikipedia isn't a place for people to write blog pieces.

This whole thing should be gone.

I have not heard of any standardized or controlled measurement of an underwater speed record. I have access to the true speed of a Los Angeles class submarine and it is far, far in excess of 30 knots. To put forth such a number (30 knots) is laughable as today's high-powered ocean freighters regularly reach in excess of that speed. To believe that the U.S. military would not have a performance advantage over heavy freighters is not credible or believable. Wikipedia should withdraw this content since it has no value and is clearly intentionally inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.200.194.140 (talk) 15:11, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jackhammer111 (talk) 20:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Even if no navy will publish the speed of their current submarines (understandably), surely there must be decommissioned or civilian submarines whose top speed is known that would be de jure record holders in the absence of declassified higher speeds?