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Removed Copyrighted Text

The "Business Routes" section was removed as it was lifted directly from a copyrighted website without permission. The original editor noted this in comments included within the page itself. As per Wikipedia rules, do NOT lift copyrighted text without first obtaining permission to do so. CBessert 09:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

- sorry bessert I was being bad. I was going to clean that up when I had the chance to, I just been busy working on another project. In anycase I kept on forgetting to get that updated. I will in the future get the better placed. --Mihsfbstadium 11:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Blue Star Memorial Highway

the text from that article was already here. The memorial designation follows a portion of the historical US 31. It's best left merged into the article, IMHO. It helps fill out the history of US 31 in Michigan and nothing links to it on its own except WikiProject pages. --Imzadi1979 (talk) 06:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I didn't see this comment before restoring the stub. I suppose it's OK for now to leave it as a redirect, although there could be more to say -- for example according to the state, The portion of highway US-31 beginning at the border between Michigan and Indiana in Berrien County and extending to the Straits of Mackinac at the county line of Emmet and Cheboygan counties shall be known as the "Blue Star Memorial Highway".[1] This is not the "former" route of US 31. However, scattered throughout parts of western and northern Michigan, many surface roads are named as the "Blue Star Highway", probably a relic of a former designation (similar to the Red Arrow Highway). But with the information such as it is now, it can stay as a redirect. Although the bit about the former designation of US 2 in the UP is lost (or at least not readily apparent). older ≠ wiser 13:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

West Michigan Pike

If that auto trail doesn't get its own page, it should at least get a mention here, if not also on the M-11 and US-12 in Michigan pages. Relatively recently there have been two very good pages created covering it: http://www.michigan.gov/mshda/0,4641,7-141-54317_50104_61879---,00.html and http://www.beachtowns.org/west_michigan_pike.cfm (note that the latter links to a scan of a 1915 tour guide on the history subpage). Mapsax (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Helpful reference

I found a few references that might be helpful in the article.

Detcin (talk) 18:21, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

The latter has already been used as a source in the St. Joseph Valley Parkway article. Mapsax (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Quick to do list

  1. Expand lead to reflect recent 4.7x expansion of the RD, History and Future sections.
  2. Expand the Historic bridges section a bit to flesh it out a little
  3. Add a section on the Memorial highways and Auto trail stuff.
  4. Make sure nos. 2 and 3 are reflected in the lead and tweak the infobox.
  5. Check the citations and links one last time.
  6. Add some photos if possible.
  7. Send to GAN.
  8. Profit. Imzadi 1979 → 10:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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What was the original idea?

Just north of the state line on the northbound side, pavement was put in for what appears to be either a welcome center, a rest area, or combination of both. A weigh station is also a possibility, but the layout seems to go against that idea. Anyone have information on this? So far, I've been unable to find anything about it.

Coordinates: 41°46'50.17"N 86°18'56.98"W

DogPatch1149 (talk) 22:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Exit 47?

Exit 47 was, at the time exit numbers were assigned to I-196, the northern terminus of the Benton Harbor-Holland leg of the Interstate. However, when the gap in I-196 was completed in 1974, I-196 was removed from this segment of US 31 as it was rerouted to run south of the airport, yet this exit number was retained as though it remained on the mainline. Is this worth noting somewhere in the article, maybe even just as a note in the intersection list? 38.122.60.10 (talk) 20:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

So what you're saying is the stretch of 31 between 60th and Washington was briefly signed as 196? I think if we can find proof of that, it might be worth noting. @Imzadi1979: what say you? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:35, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
I say that there are several possible explanations, and none of them matter without a source to cite. It's minor trivia and may not be worth mentioning at all in the article. Imzadi 1979 → 21:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

New US 31 freeway segment

COMPLETED
The only remaining update will be to switch to the 2023 edition of the state map for the citations in the RD section when that map is released later this spring. Otherwise all other updates to the article have been completed. Imzadi 1979 → 09:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

MDOT is about to open the new section of US 31 freeway this week. That event will impact several sections of the article, which will need to be carefully edited and cited.

  • Lead/infobox: adjustments to the length in the infobox will need to wait until the exit list is updated.
    • The prose content will need a revision to account for the updates to the rest of the article.
    • The KML and the GeoJSON interactive map in the infobox can't be updated until Google Earth has the new routing unless we edit the KML another way to match the new routing.
  • Route description: the first paragraph of the first subsection will need some minor updates, and the footnotes will need to be updated to support those changes.
    • We need Google Maps to provide an update to their satellite imagery and road cartography so we can revise that footnote for the entire section.
    • We will also need the 2023 official MDOT map to be published for a proper citation update.
    • In the interim, that one paragraph can get a slight update off the news sources, but footnotes will need to be carefully shifted to avoid the implication that the new routing is being cited to the 2013 sources used when the rest of the RD was written.
  • History/Future: the first future subsection will need to be moved into the history section and updated with a source for the opening and any minor phrasing changes to move from future to past tense. This is probably the simplest update.
  • Exit list: we will need MDOT to update the Next Generation PR Finder mapping application to have updated milepost data for the new section. Once that is provided, then every milepost north of the Napier Avenue interchange will need to be adjusted. This operation will also give us the updated length of the highway in the state of Michigan.

Because this is a Featured Article, we need to take care to make these changes in a measured fashion so that the overall high quality of the article remains during the update period. Imzadi 1979 → 22:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Based on photos posted in various roadgeek Facebook groups, the freeway segment opened to traffic on November 9. No news media have run articles to that effect yet. I have updated the exit list on Interstate 94 in Michigan to reflect the signage changes from those photos. I'll make other changes there as news reports are published. Imzadi 1979 → 03:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
And we have a source for the opening yesterday:
  • Springgate, Jack (November 9, 2022). "New US 31 Route Opens to Warm Receptions". 16 News Now. South Bend, Indiana: WNDU-TV. Retrieved November 10, 2022.
That means we can make some updates here. I-94's article has been updated with that source, so it's good to go until MDOT and Google provide updated maps to allow more specific updates. Imzadi 1979 → 00:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Ok, the prose has been updated in the affected sections. I've also commented out all of the mileposts north of the Napier Avenue interchange. Since the freeway routing is not the same distance as the previous routing, we no longer know the length of US 31 in Michigan until MDOT adds the new routing to the Physical Reference Finder. After that update, we can compute the offset and adjust all the other mileposts and restore them to visibility, and use the last milepost as the length in the lead
Google Earth's imagery shows the earthworks for the new freeway, so the routing could be updated on the KML. (It might need to be refined in the future. The interactive map in the infobox should be updated shortly. Imzadi 1979 → 01:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
The Next Generation PR Finder has the information within it to calculate the updated mileposts. For the record, the highway got 1.348 miles (2.169 km) shorter with the new segment. Imzadi 1979 → 09:22, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
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