Talk:Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland

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Name[edit]

Wouldn't this be a "twenty-eighth" amendment, too, as the previous attempt at a twenty-eighth amendment didn't pass? —Nightstallion 19:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think you're right. For example, there is Third Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland Bill, 1958 and Third Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland Bill, 1968. Snappy (talk) 23:31, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the numbering refers to the bills not the changes, so every new bill has a new number see Amendments to the Constitution of Ireland#List of failed amendments Bogger (talk) 12:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I have misunderstood, my understanding is that that only applies when they are put to the people simultaneously (i.e. the succeeding numbers are passed, and so their names are set in stone). Though I stand to be corrected. - EstoyAquí(t • c • e) 23:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bill as introduced is the 28th, not the 29th. (I am in Leinster House right now and have the bill before me.) 213.94.210.30 (talk) 12:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion polls[edit]

Why are these small samples being used to suggest public opinion has changed. This is a biased article and I dispute the facts presented. The samples are too small to draw any conclusions. A ridiculous article and I would like to see fantasy seperated from fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.233.75 (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the latest opinion poll which shows a slip in the yes support...but as the above comment points out they are small samples. I had to get a reference for the sample size of this poll as mainstream Irish news didn't give this info...

"The mainstream Irish news didn't give this info". Try front page of todays Irish Times! [1]. Try harder! Snappy (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UKIP[edit]

I have changed this to Europe of Freedom and Democracy (EFD group in the European Parliament), Nigel Farage made it quite clear he was there on behalf of the EFD group, the leaflet that they sent out to homes in Ireland was also from EFD, not UKIP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.137.44 (talk) 17:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Problem on the pie chart[edit]

The pie chart says

  • For = 67.13%
  • Against = 32.87%
  • Spoilt = 0.40%

The total is over 100! (100.40%) The problem is that the 'spoilt' percentage is percentage of all casted votes, whereas 'For' and 'Against' are percentage of the total votes taken account (casted minus spoilt). So it doesn't really make much sense. I would suggest simply removing the spoilt percentage.

laug (talk) 04:06, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I have solved you problem. 212.2.173.243 (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reaction[edit]

In the 'Reaction' section of this article more weight is placed on the No side reaction than on the Yes side reaction. However the Yes side won the elecion by a margin of over 2:1. It was represented by more groups than discussed in the article. Surely reaction from the civic groups should be included. The reactions of trade unions such as SIPTU, ICTI, IBEC and the IFA, the community groups, and some of the leading economists' reactions should be included. As seen as the more controversial parties such as UKIP are included on the No side perhaps Ryanair and Michael O'Leary should be included on the Yes side. I tried editing the article by adding quotes from the IFA and IBEC that stated their respective reactions to beef up the Yes side reactions from the Irish Times but I don't know how to make references. Perhaps someone would be as kind to inform me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdave84 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous[edit]

The article says passing the amendment 'enables' ratification of the treaty of Lisbon. This implies the action is not yet taken, but is now possible. Is that right, or has the amendment, in fact, ratified the Treay, and the word 'enable' is the wrong one? 173.13.153.50 (talk) 22:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is correct. In fact the amendment has yet to come into force as the President has yet to sign. The earliest she can do this is tomorrow week. After that there a parliamentary procedure to go through. Once this is done, actual ratification will take place in Rome when the Irish ambassador lodges the ratification instrument with the Italian foreign ministry. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 10:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The turnout figure[edit]

Page eight of today's Irish Times explains that the official electorate figures are out of date and does not take two supplementary registers into account. Under the paper's figures the total electorate is 1,816,098 making the turnout 58%. — Blue-Haired Lawyer 10:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is REALLY annoying. I first put in most of the figures using the IT as a source. Then I noticed that they differed from the official result at referendum.ie, so I changed the results table to use the official figures. Now it seems that the IT is correct and that the official figures are wrong! I give up! The official electorate is given as 3,078,032, while the IT says it is 3,132,475. (BHL, the figure of 1,816,098 which you mention is the total valid poll which both agree on. Snappy (talk) 15:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name of article[edit]

Shouldn't this article be moved to Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland. I don't see why there should be 2 separate articles, one for the Act (including Referendum campaign) and one for the Amendment. They should be merged to be like Twenty-seventh Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland, with 1 article for the background, bill, referendum campaign, result and amendment. Snappy (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland Act, 2009 → Twenty-eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland —This change would bring the article into line with the 20+ other articles on amendments of the Irish constitution. (If you look at "Category: Amendments of the Constitution of Ireland" you'll see what I mean.) --Iota (talk) 16:51, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Referring to the treaty in the intro[edit]

It's a totally pedantic point so I don't know why I'm bothering with it, but I think the most elegant and commonly used phrasing is ""the Lisbon Treaty of the European Union" (if referring to the EU as part of the overall name). I'm obviously not the only one who thinks this, because compare these Google results:

The difference is pretty startling.

But by all means lets call it the Treaty of Lisbon when we're not including the "of the European Union" bit. -Iota (talk) 16:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, your inclusion of - "of the European Union" has skewed the ghits, more accurately it is:
  • Treaty of Lisbon - 3,280,000
  • Lisbon Treaty - 3,310,000
So Lisbon Treaty gets slightly more, but its roughly the same. The reason I changed it was so that the first reference to it would be the official name, but its fine like it is now. Snappy (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Apologies again for being such a pedant. Iota (talk) 10:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

See WP:EXTLINK.

I've removed general Lisbon Treaty websites, which are only relevant to Treaty of Lisbon, not this article.

I've removed all the political party and campaign group websites. Most had linkrotted away, and the random selection that remains would give an unbalanced view of what once was. It might be work checking the Wayback Machine to see if any of the sites was comprehensively archived as at October 2009; but I'm not optimistic enough to put in the effort myself. jnestorius(talk) 11:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These were not linkrotted[edit]

Political party campaigns
Other group campaigns

These were linkrotted[edit]

Meaning either the website or the relevant page is gone altogether has been updated (e.g. to focus on the 2012 Treaty) and is no longer relevant to this particular article.

Political party campaigns

Groups

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