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Problems[edit]

Organization[edit]

The article has a very poor organization. I added in the beginning an interior link to a list of makams and am intending to give information about each of them with lists of compositions and remarkable improvisations. Please bear it mind while reorganizing it.

Content[edit]

All pictures are scanned from the same book (Türk Musikisi Nazariyatı ve Usulleri - Kudüm velveleleri), with captions in Turkish! I do not believe that this meets Wikipedia standards. Tables should be recreated with English notes when necessary. This information is INACCESSIBLE to English-speakers.
This is NOTArabic music to give an accurate picture of where Turkish makams stand.

Conclusion[edit]

I propose a joint project with Maqam and Dastgah discussion pages where specialists of Turkish classical music may meet those of Arabic and Persian music for a start and that they take the responsibility of improving each other's makam/maqam/dastgah pages by inserting links and furnishing brief comparisons. The same goes for the List of Makams I created for Turkish classical music. I'd be happy to see there links to maqams and dastgahs bearing the same name. In the now-empty links to individual makams on the List of Makams page, I intend to give historical indications about each, where maqam and dastgah contributions would be very valuable. Ekindedeoglu 09:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer also this joint approach. I am currently learning to play the persian, osmanic, arabic ney/nay. For me they are three beautiful sisters of the same family with much more in common than differencies. I will try to add some breadcrumbs of information as I pick them up on my way (ChristianKranich (talk) 16:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC))[reply]

I like this approach Bellagio99 (talk) 23:02, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Russian language article[edit]

The link to Russian article is to Azerbaijan Mugham article that is of their national music (and it is not represented there as a kind of Turkish music). The link from Russian language Azerbaijan Mugham article is to English language Azerbaijan Mugham article. The link from English Lnaguage Azerbaijan Mugham article is again to Russian language Azerbaijan Mugham article. Is it OK and corresponds to the rules of Wikipedia? Thanks in advance for your explanations, --Zara-arush (talk) 00:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Persian meanings[edit]

Chargah, Dugah, Rast and Neva do have Persian meanings: Chargah: Char (four), gah (time suffix). This Dastgah already exists in the Persian Music Dugah: Du (two), and gah. This Dastgah does not exist in the Persian Music, probably has it's named changed to "Shoor" Rast: Straight, related to "Rast Panjgah" a Persian Music Dastgah Neva: Voice, related to the "Nava" a Persian Music Dastgah. If you can understand Persian this is the article about Persian Music Dastgahs: http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87_%28%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%82%DB%8C%29 10:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Byzantine modes[edit]

What hasn't been mentioned is the near correspondence with the byzantine Echoi. It would also be helpful to discuss the Makamlar in relation with the ancient Greek theories of music (Pythagorean, etc.)

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Requested move 12 May 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 10:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Makam → Turkish makam – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. kupirijo (talk) 07:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 09:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kupirijo, I think you forgot to add the rationale for the move. Is it necessary to disambiguate here? – Þjarkur (talk) 12:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Þjarkur: I think so, since Makam may refer to also Arabic maqam. --kupirijo (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Þjarkur: To be more specific, only the first sentence of the article is general and would likely belong to a disambiguation page. The rest is clearly referring to the theory and terminology of the Turkish makam, e.g. all terms are in Turkish. --kupirijo (talk) 14:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems pings don't work on this talk page for some strange reason. – Þjarkur (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article Melody type lists a few other middle-eastern makam traditions. It's not clear that the Turkish one should be under this title except for the difference in the spelling of "Makam/Maqam". – Þjarkur (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Ferahnak[edit]

Is there a makam Ferahnak? 76.190.213.189 (talk) 00:52, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About Cargah[edit]

As I can see, in the article is said that the çargâh makam was avoided due to influence to the behaviour of young people. That took me to what Plato said about the ionian mode, which is related to çargâh makam. Could someone tell more about this? STVRNVS (talk) 12:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]