Talk:Triple Crown of Acting

Qualification rules are unclear

This article, and the one on EGOT says that the only people who are on both lists are Helen Hayes and Rita Moreno.

However the EGOT page list a number of other people who have won acting Oscars, Emmys and Tonys; e.g. John Gielgud, Audrey Hepburn.

I had a look on the EGOT talk page and here it makes a distinction between primetime Emmys and other Emmys.

So it seems that to qualify for this Triple Crown the Emmy must be a primetime one, but that is not spelt out.

Without that, the two articles together are rather confusing. One would assume that any actor who has an EGOT also has a Triple Crown as that is an EOT.

FerdinandFrog (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

John Gielgud never won a Tony for acting, just for directing. Audrey Hepburn's Emmy was for "Outstanding Individual Achievement, Informational Programming". To win the Triple Crown, all the awards have to be acting.

I don't see the talk page argument you referenced on the EGOT page. I don't think a decision has been made here on Primetime vs. Daytime Emmys, mostly because it hasn't come up. Most of the Daytime Emmys aren't for acting. If it does, we'll decide then (I'm in favor of keeping it, but we'll see what everyone else thinks). Sbb618 (talk) 15:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi FerdinandFrog (talk · contribs), As Sbb618 said, John Gielgud never won a Tony in a competitive acting category. His 1948 Tony was for Best Foreign Company, which was a shared non-competitive award, his 1959 Tony was a special contribution award, and his 1961 Tony was for directing. As for Audrey Hepburn, her Emmy was for hosting, not acting in Gardens of the World with Audrey Hepburn. Whoopi Goldberg is another example of an actor winning in non-acting categories, her Oscar was for acting but her Tony was for her work as a producer, and her Emmys (daytime) were for her work as a host. The qualification rule is quite clear, it is Oscar, Emmy & Tony wins in a competitive acting category. As Sbb618 also said, the Daytime Emmy situation for the Triple Crown hasn't come up yet. L1975p (talk) 15:34, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks both. I think I was distracted by the discussion on Emmys and did not look at the categories for other awards, hence I did not look at Gielgud's Tonys. Why I did not spot that Hepburn's Emmy was not for acting I do not know.

Sbb618 (talk · contribs), I don't know why you cannot see the discussion about Emmys. It is not on the talk page but on the archive talk page, which is why I linked directly to it. FerdinandFrog (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I didn't see it because I went straight to the talk page myself, and didn't check the archives. I'd say that the Daytime Emmys seem to be included on the quote-unquote "official" EGOT list (or as official as a made-up honor can be) for the moment. Honestly, we're making this up as we go along. The rest of my post still stands. Sbb618 (talk) 17:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Additions

Audrey Hepburn is a Triple Crown Actress.

Anna Kendrick has not won any of her Triple Crown Nominations Weremyjiggins (talk) 05:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Strike Hepburn, her Emmy is not for acting. Weremyjiggins (talk) 05:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

British Triple Crown

Article mentioned there is also British Triple Crown of Acting with 8 peoples. Is there a list?Rastgele83893 (talk) 21:20, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

THere isn't, and I think there should be. Perhaps we just add a new section to this article for British TC. Irvek (talk) 05:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Triple Crown vs EGOT?

The article seems to state that only two people have achieved a Triple Crown and an EGOT. Whoever, one would think that an EGOT = Triple Crown + Grammy. In what case could someone achieve an EGOT but not a Triple Crown? Jedney625 (talk) 03:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jedney625 (talk · contribs) It's possible for someone to achieve the EGOT but not the Triple Crown if they have won an Oscar, Emmy or Tony in an non-acting category, as only an acting Oscar/Emmy/Tony would count as a Triple Crown of Acting win. Examples of EGOT winners who haven't got the Triple Crown include Audrey Hepburn, who has Oscar & Tony wins for acting (+ Grammy) but a non-acting Emmy. Another example is Whoopi Goldberg, who in addition to her Grammy, has won Emmys for her work as a host & a 2002 Tony for producing the musical Thoroughly Modern Millie, so only her Oscar win was in an acting category. 86.139.58.169 (talk) 11:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand

Why is Streisand not included? She has won the triple crown as well as a grammy. 216.9.185.168 (talk) 06:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Her Tony is an honorary award, so not for an acting performance, which the Triple Crown requires. Sbb618 (talk) 07:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

American and British awards in the same article

Why mix American entertainment awards with British ones? Perhaps it would be better to move the British Triple Crown into a separate article dedicated to it and, as a result, remove those awards from this particular article. LordTort (talk) 16:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I concur. I see that the British have their own article already, which is terrific. But they're still here attached at the bottom of this one, which is excessive/unnecessary.

Isn't the proper thing to do, perhaps, to only leave the chart at most, a brief summary, and then a link for further reading--specifically the "Transclusion" hatnote? I think that's what would be best. It provides enough information, and then the redirect to a page with a broader scope.

One could then do the same thing at the bottom of the British page, if agreed upon, to transclude a brief summary regarding the American Triple Crown, leading back to this article..in much the same fashion. (For Futurama fans, this has me thinking of the parallel universe episode, and each universe pulling one another's box from the parallel back into their own universe.)

I don't know if everyone will agree with this portion, but just suggesting it as a sort of fair balance.

The most important notes are definitely covered otherwise, in particular the fact that Dame Helen Mirren is the only person to complete BOTH triple crowns. Anyway, thoughts? --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 09:16, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Audrey Hepburn

Egot, so therefore triple crown 2600:8805:A291:A800:D16E:8A2:966D:E9BA (talk) 12:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Not quite. Her Emmy win was not for acting; it was for hosting a special, non-fiction show about gardening. These particular awards here are only in regards to acting. Therefore, any additional wins they might have for directing, writing, producing, and so forth are irrelevant to tally here.

As you'll notice by the footnote here, it explains quite clearly how Audrey won 2 out of 3 for acting and stipulates the non-acting Emmy win, in the "Two Competitive Awards" section of the page:

Triple_Crown_of_Acting#endnote_1 --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 14:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Identifying dead people

The use of † to identify dead people appears to me to be Christian-centric. If we need to identify the dead, we should use a symbol that does not have religious connotations. There are plenty of choices. # would seem to be OK. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 04:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Dagger (mark) † — This article has some more history on the symbol that highlights its secularity, for what it's worth. But I understand your POV.

Infinity symbol ∞ – Could be a good alternative; especially if one wants to associate infinity with an afterlife. --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 11:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank for pointing me to the article on the dagger. Interestingly, it warns against confusing the dagger with the Latin cross, which is exactly what I did! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)