Talk:Tomb of Philippe Pot

Inscriptions

The full inscriptions are in capital letters, and read: cy demorra messire philippe pot chevalier seigneur de la roiche de nolay de chastelneuf en l’auxois et de gevrey en chalonois pour la plus part grant seneschal de bourgogne seigneur de thorey sur oische et de neesles qui fut [norry] en l’host[el] / de monseig[neur] le bon duc philippe darrain trespasse lequel le fit chevalier fut parrain d’icelluy et par l’election des chevalier de l’ordre de la toison d’or lui donna et mist au col lui fit de grans biens et honneurs en plusieurs et diverses manieres et en divers estas selon le aige qu’il le servit et tant que environ ii ou iii an avant son trespas il le mist en l’estat / de premier chambellan et luy donna les capitaineries du chastel et des villes de lisle / douhay et orchies apres la mort de son dit mastre fut retenu par monseigneur le duc charles son filz en son service l’un de ses principaulx chambellans et generalment luy laissa tous les offices dont il le trouva en possession auquel / lui demoura la vie durant de son dit seig[neu]ret maistre apres la mort duquel par ceulx de / la ville de lisle tant officier comme tous autres il fut mis hors du chastel et de la dite ville de lisle et par le commandement de mademoiselle de bourgogne qui pour lors estoit dame des dits lieux et luy fut force de soy retirer en / la ville de tournay en laquelle pour ce temps les gens du roy et de ma dite damoiselle aloient et / venoient par la consentement des dessus dits seigneur et dame auquel lieu le roi envoia querr le dit seigneur d[e] la roiche et le voulut avoir a son service lui fit de grans biens et lui osta la dite ordre qu’il portoit en lui faisant / cest honneur que de lui donner la si[enne] et le crean[t gra]nt se[ne]chal de bourgogne en telle prerogative et drois comme le grant seneschal de n[or]mandie [tr]epassa le… jour du mois de…[7]bre l’an mil ccccxci[v]refJugie (2019), pp. 16–17

Further reading

• Antoine, Elisabeth. Art from the Court of Burgundy: The Patronage of Philip the Bold and John the Fearless, 1364–1419. Seattle (WA): University of Washington, 2005. ISBN 978-2-7118-4864-5
• De Winter, Patrick M. "Art from the Duchy of Burgundy". The Bulletin of the Cleveland Museum of Art, vol. 74, no. 10, 1987. 406–449. JSTOR 25160010
• Wright, Sommers Georgia. "A Royal Tomb Program in the Reign of St. Louis". The Art Bulletin, vol. 56, no. 2, 1974. JSTOR 3049227

Burgundian Netherlands

@Johnbod: Mary of Burgundy ruled the parts of the Low Countries collectively known as the Burgundian Netherlands between 1477 and 1482. Why do you think that we cannot link the term "her realms" to the article "Burgundian Netherlands". Borsoka (talk) 04:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

The correct link would be Burgundian State. Pot was based in "Burgundy proper" anyway. Johnbod (talk) 04:08, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Pot was based in "Burgundy proper" but Mary of Burgundy lost it shortly after her father's death, and she was only able to keep his realms in the Low Countries. The article about the Burgundian State covers the Duchy and County of Burgundy, the County of Bar, and other realms that were not ruled by Mary. Borsoka (talk) 04:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

At the date we are talking about there was still a war going on, & as far as Mary was concerned Burgundy proper was very much part of her realm. What makes you think the County of Bar was ever part of the Burgundian State? Johnbod (talk) 05:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

1. By the time Mary expelled Pot from her court and realms, the Duchy of Burgundy had been seized by the French. 2. You are right Bar was never part of Burgundy. Borsoka (talk) 05:54, 11 March 2023 (UTC)