Talk:Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE

Development

Someone erroneously and without fact checking listed Intelligent Systems as a developer, but the only confirmation we have is that it's being developed at Atlus with Nintendo EPD (formerly Nintendo SPD) being the concept creator and producer. . The only confirmed staff is Kaori Ando from Nintendo EPD who created the concept and is listed as a director. Also Hitoshi Yamagami from Nintendo, who is the Producer. NOAWiki (talk) 16:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Reliable sources like Polygon say intelligent systems... Sergecross73 msg me 16:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

That's just an editor "assuming" and assuming incorrectly in this point because "oh Intelligent Systems is always involved with Fire Emblem". Which is wrong in even entertainment journalism. NOAWiki (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

And VG247. And Game Informer. Yamagami is a member of Intelligent Systems too, right? Sergecross73 msg me 18:18, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

No! Just bad journalism there. Hitoshi Yamagami is a manager and producer at Nintendo. He has been employed at Nintendo since 1989. NOAWiki (talk) 20:35, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

I can see one or two, but 4 separate sources, all usuable per WP:VG/S, all came to the same wrong conclusion? I kind of find this hard to believe... Sergecross73 msg me 00:35, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

You don't have any sources there, just editors of websites assuming something and posting it. The actual sources are direct first hand sources that state the nature of development. NOAWiki (talk) 05:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, forgive me for being equally skeptical of a Kotaku article, a Japanese page I can't read, and a deadlink. (Which, as far as I can see, don't confirm that they're not involved as much as they just didn't mention them in their writing...) Sergecross73 msg me 13:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Nintendo's site just states that Atlus is the developer. If the game was truly co-developed, they would mention that on the page. Just to be safe, let's keep Atlus as the sole developer for now, until the game is released and we can scan the credits for the full details. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:01, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

References

Naming

New trailer for this from today's Nintendo Direct. JP version NA version. The Japanese logo and voiceover clearly states "幻影異聞録#FE" (pronounced "gen'ei ibunroku sharp eff ee") which is roughly equivalent to "Revelations of the Illusion # FE". The NA trailer does not name the game at all, but the title of the video is "Shin Megami Tensei & Fire Emblem Crossover Project". Regardless, it's clear that "Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem" is neither the official title nor the working title. Thoughts? Axem Titanium (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, they still revealed it as SMTxFE, so that still may be the WP:COMMONNAME. I guess we could tag "crossover project" to the end if people really want that, but the Japanese name seems too abstract to use as the name. They said more info would be revealed "soon", so hopefully that will clear things up soon? Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Characters section

It seems quite unlikely at this point that all the Megaten and Fire Emblem characters from the 2013 trailer will be in the game, and I don't think there ever was confirmation that they would be either - it was just based on assumptions. I suggest we remove the characters section, but wanted to check if anyone has any objections first. --IDV^talk 04:44, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Fully agree - should be removed. Sergecross73 msg me 10:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Naming part 2

It's gone through 3 or 4 changes now today. Let's discuss some and find out what the consensus on this is Czar? ProtoDrake? Any other contributors? IDV? Sergecross73 msg me 00:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

To start off, I'm not crazy about the current title, per WP:USEENGLISH. The title is gibberish and meaningless to the vast majority of readers. Sergecross73 msg me 00:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Here's what I got:

It's no longer Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem but rather Fire Emblem Shin Megami Tensei
— http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/16/8789653/fire-emblem-shin-megami-tensei-trailer (this is what I cited for the first rename, though this source is in the minority now)

Currently titled “Genei Ibun Roku #FE” (though that is sure to change as localization commences)
— http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2015/06/16/e3-2015-new-footage-of-shin-megami-tensei-x-fire-emblem-debuted/154375/

Today, Nintendo released a new trailer for Genei Ibun Roku, otherwise known as Fire Emblem x SMT.
— http://kotaku.com/new-shin-megami-vs-fire-emblem-trailer-is-a-hot-jrpg-me-1711813671

Genei Ibun Roku #FE is scheduled to launch in 2016 and the game’s current title isn’t the final name, according to the press release.
— http://www.vg247.com/2015/06/16/e3-2015-genei-ibun-roku-fe-wii-u-2016/

So all in all, I don't think there is a clear common name just yet. Until the dust settles, I think plain "Genei Ibun Roku" is the best fit for now because of the title restrictions on "#". That said, I don't think it's a big deal to leave it as is. – czar 02:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't know which should be used, but "Genei Ibun Roku X FE" (with an X) seems to be a made-up title only (?) used on Wikipedia, so at least remove the X. By the way, the technical restrictions about using the # symbol do not have to be a problem, as the title is written with ♯, not #. If we do go with that - Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE - I suggest making a redirect from Genei Ibun Roku (which is where Genei Ibun Roku #FE leads).--IDV^talk 07:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm alright with Genei Ibun Roku. I was a little tired at the time, and X was the only thing I could think of to replace "#". --ProtoDrake (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I still prefer going with one of either of the English variants. There's just no way this title is ever going to be used in the English release, and its a rather difficult name for the typical English reader to wrap their head's around. I don't think its conducive to searching or understanding the game at all... Sergecross73 msg me 12:34, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

You could probably call it "Sharp FE". X isn't exactly a good substitute. Wonchop (talk) 01:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

The text at the top of the article says that "The correct title of this article is Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE. The substitution or omission of the # is because of technical restrictions." And it clearly uses ♯ rather than #. However, the link included is to Number sign, not Sharp (music). 45.47.234.119 (talk) 04:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

:I just moved this to "Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE" because that's how I read the outcome of this discussion above. The sharp sign ♯ does not have the same article titling restrictions as the pound/number sign # so I removed the hatnote. As IDV mentioned, the substitution of X for ♯ seems to be a Wikipedia-only invention. As of today, an official English language title is yet to be revealed so there is no English equivalent that is not invented out of whole cloth. Genei Ibun Roku ♯FE is the official final Japanese title so we should use that. In the interim before an English title is announced, the only thing we can do is be vigilant and generous with redirects to facilitate readers finding this article. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Game is censored for Western markets

A case of censorship because I guess Westerners will be angry or get triggered if bare cleavage, panties, or a swimsuit is visible in a Japanese RPG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmEinLtVzE4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.142.242.167 (talk) 03:53, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Nintendo of America censoring games is nothing new. Is this notable enough to warrant inclusion in the article? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

It might be worth a sentence if reliable third party sources start discussing it, but that's about it. If it's like the last few instances of this, the otaku crowd will get all worked up, but the majority of people won't really care because it's really trivial "Character X now has shorts instead of a bikini bottom" type changes that has very little impact on the actual game. Sergecross73 msg me 11:04, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GamerPro64 (talk · contribs) 02:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Gonna be reviewing this real soon. GamerPro64 02:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

So reading the whole thing it looks mostly good to become a Good Article. A problem I see with it is five of its sources come from Nintendo Everything. I don't think its considered a reliable source to use on Wikipedia. Might have to replace them. GamerPro64 02:29, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

@GamerPro64: Removed and substituted. It was a bit of a slog, but it's sorted. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:18, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Whoops, missed one. Sorted now. --ProtoDrake (talk) 10:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Still see it used for Reference 9. GamerPro64 01:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@GamerPro64: Sorted. Thanks for picking that up. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

I believe this article is well enough to become a Good Article here. Congrats. GamerPro64 23:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

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New reassesment

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Result: Speedily kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:24, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Possible spelling errors, the development section might not be detailed enough for this type of article. reassesment in response to sandy georgia requesting a GAR. --Therealgamer1234 (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: Just checking, did you actually suggest this? --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I put in a GAR request for someone to check, as I am not that familiar with GA standards, and I wondered if the article had been damaged during the socking shenanigans. If you, as the principle editor, feel it is still good, that's good with me! I didn't think the GAR request would be acted on without someone eyeballing it first, considering the SPI. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

• Speedy close, nominated by blocked user, perhaps as some kind of WP:POINT. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy close per Axem. I haven't taken a very thorough look at the article, but it appears good enough to be a video game GA. ProtoDrake does a good job making GAs, and it looks to be up to standard. The Night Watch (talk) 05:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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