Talk:Titane
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 | On 31 December 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Titane (film) to Titane. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Requested move 31 December 2021[edit]
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 22:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
– The Palme D'Or-winning film is almost certainly the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in English, as opposed to the chemical compound or the Greek village (or the related ancient town). PageViews indicate the primacy is several orders of magnitude. A quick cursory Google search for "titane" also indicates that at least 98% of the top 100 results are about the film in some way. In English, it's almost certain the primary topic is the film. Sceptre (talk) 21:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. There is no other article with this exact title on Wikipedia, so this article doesn't need disambiguating. All of the other articles on the DAB page are merely similar or related terms. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. None of the pages in the disambiguation page share the word Titane exactly. Iamnoahflores (talk) 02:08, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Leaning oppose: It is simply not true that none of the other topics use Titane exacly. There is also Titane (Sicyon), a city in ancient Greece, and "titane" is one of the names used for the chemical compound. And a term doesn't need to be the title of the article in order to be relevant to disambiguation. For example, hurricane, Danzig and Einstein are not the titles of articles on Wikipedia. Moreover, the film is WP:RECENT – released only six months ago. Page views are not a proper measure for temporarily popular topics. The notability of a city where people lived nearly a thousand years ago is not temporary, and neither is the notability of a chemical compound. How long will this popularity last? Will very many people care about this horror film in a thousand years? In ten years? — BarrelProof (talk) 17:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
- Not an unreasonable oppose, and I personally don't care or have much of an opinion at all, but you undermine your argument with the question (and its phrasing)
Will very many people care about this horror film in a thousand years? In ten years?
- it won one of cinema's highest-regarded awards, but besides, whether very many people care or not isn't actually a determiner of if something is a primary topic. (I'd also argue that since there isn't even enough archeologists that care enough to write more than a stub, and there is lasting notability of award-winning films, on your own metrics the film outranks the ancient city). Now, I actually encourage you to reason against me here; I think if your argument is flawed your !vote is not as good, so if you come back, it could help this discussion. Kingsif (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)- For what it's worth, I've chosen ten random Palme d'Or winners and checked their pageviews – the statistics can be seen here. An article about a Palme D'Or winning film can expect, even several decades on from their release, to get about a hundred views a day. That's two orders of magnitude greater than the Ancient Greek town or the chemical compound. Sceptre (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Further to this, using Massviews, one can see that the first quartile of daily page views is 50, still an order of magnitude greater than the other pages. There's not that much of a correlation between the age of the film and its pageview rank at R²=0.17 – although Titane is currently second, the third (Apocalypse Now) and fifth (Taxi Driver) films came out in the 70s – but only two films of the past decade are outside the top half (Winter Sleep, 51th, and Dheepan, 53th) and only one film in the past 30 years is in the first quartile (The Son's Room, 76th). Almost certainly over our lifetimes, I feel comfortable saying that the film is going to remain the primary topic. Sceptre (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- I somewhat object to the notion that the question of whether people will care about a topic in the long term is not a consideration in determining whether something is a primary topic. On the contrary, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC explicitly says to consider reader search interest, "long-term significance", and "enduring notability". We should avoid WP:Recentism. If practically no one will be interested in a topic in a decade or two, it should not be considered a primary topic. But Sceptre makes a good argument for showing such long-term significance, so I do not object to the move. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
explicitly says to consider reader search interest
- ah, I thought when you were referring to people caring, you were referring to editors updating. I have probably seen "if nobody cares to keep it at this standard" as a 'reason' in reviews for perfectly fine articles too much. Kingsif (talk) 00:31, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
- I somewhat object to the notion that the question of whether people will care about a topic in the long term is not a consideration in determining whether something is a primary topic. On the contrary, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC explicitly says to consider reader search interest, "long-term significance", and "enduring notability". We should avoid WP:Recentism. If practically no one will be interested in a topic in a decade or two, it should not be considered a primary topic. But Sceptre makes a good argument for showing such long-term significance, so I do not object to the move. — BarrelProof (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Further to this, using Massviews, one can see that the first quartile of daily page views is 50, still an order of magnitude greater than the other pages. There's not that much of a correlation between the age of the film and its pageview rank at R²=0.17 – although Titane is currently second, the third (Apocalypse Now) and fifth (Taxi Driver) films came out in the 70s – but only two films of the past decade are outside the top half (Winter Sleep, 51th, and Dheepan, 53th) and only one film in the past 30 years is in the first quartile (The Son's Room, 76th). Almost certainly over our lifetimes, I feel comfortable saying that the film is going to remain the primary topic. Sceptre (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I've chosen ten random Palme d'Or winners and checked their pageviews – the statistics can be seen here. An article about a Palme D'Or winning film can expect, even several decades on from their release, to get about a hundred views a day. That's two orders of magnitude greater than the Ancient Greek town or the chemical compound. Sceptre (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Not an unreasonable oppose, and I personally don't care or have much of an opinion at all, but you undermine your argument with the question (and its phrasing)
- Support, clear primary topic. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- Support per all the above. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.