Talk:Tiburones

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 13:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

This article does look a bit messy but not enough to justify an immediate failure, so I will start reviewing later today most likely! --K. Peake 13:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• You need to add a source in the body verifying that the song is in the Spanish language
• Recording date is unsourced
• Change Latin ballad to Latin with the target, as ballad types are not genres; for example, you would not classify "R&B ballad" as a genre
• Shouldn't Oscar Hernández be the first songwriter credited per credits and personnel?
• Remove ref 1 since citations should not be in the lead, plus that info is backed up in the body
• Shouldn't Oscar Hernández be the first songwriter listed per earlier comment?
• "The production was handled by" → "while the production was handled by" merging with the previous sentence and adding a comma before
• Ref 2 does not need to be in the lead per my earlier comments about this
• The lead is currently way too short; you need to add info about the comp, lyrics, Spotify promo, music video, live performances, cover versions, remix here. Take a look through other GAs for a guideline of how much needs to be in the lead, plus do not have too short paras like the ones right now that are one or two sentences.
• "The song received positive reviews, and Music critics complimented the song's lyrics" → "The song received positive reviews from Music critics, who complimented its lyrics." the music video part does not belong in this sentence because that should be covered elsewhere in the lead in more detail
• Ref 3 is not needed in the lead per my earlier comments about this
• "reached number one in" → "reaching number one in"
• "the top 10 in ten Latin American countries." → "the top 10 in nine other Latin American countries." unless the 10 part does not include Puerto Rico
• "was nominated for "Song of the Year" at" → "was nominated for Song of the Year at" with the target, as awards do not go in speech marks

Background and promotion

• Retitle to Background and release, as the promotional info can be moved elsewhere
• "titled Movimiento in" → "titled Movimiento, in"
• "that the album includes" → "that the album was set to include"
• Target ballad to Sentimental ballad
• Wikilink music video
• "was later announced that it's a video" → "was later announced as being a video"
• Target single to Single (music) and [8] should be after [7] as well as in its current place
• Remove wikilink on ballad
• "and will be released in" → "set for release in"
• "on his 48th birthday," → "coinciding with his 48th birthday,"
• "on social media and confirmed that his upcoming single, "Tiburones" will be" → "on Instagram and confirmed that "Tiburones" would be" with the wikilink
• Merge the Metro Puerto Rico para with the above one
• "told about this song:" → "told the newspaper about the song:"
• Snippets of the music video should be moved to the section of the same title instead plus the word "official" is redundant
• The first three sentences of the above para are not backed up
• "The song marks Martin's" → "The song marked Martin's"
• Move the Times Square info to the music video section, which can be retitled to Promotion
• "in two extended plays," → "into the two EPs" plus this para should be merged with the above one
• Remove target on Pausa
• Mention the digital download and streaming release of the song
• "on his first extended play, Pausa," → "on his debut EP Pausa," to be specific
• Move the lyric video and headphone mix per my earlier comment
• "a lyric video was released" → "an accompanying lyric video was released"
• Wikilink YouTube
• "using Orbital Audio technology was" → "created using Orbital Audio technology, was"
• "on Pausa (Headphone Mix), released" → "on the headphone mix version of the EP, released"

Lyrics and composition

• Retitle to Composition and lyrics, as that is the order in which the info is
• Audio sample should be at the start of the section instead, plus try to add relevant info to it
• Wikilink Spanish language
• Remove wikilink on ballad
• Latin pop genre is unsourced; do not use Apple Music as a source for genres because it labels based on the artist themselves; try to add a source stating this is a Latin song or anything similar
• "Pablo Preciado, and his Venezuelan co-writer, Oscar Hernandez." → "Pablo Preciado and his Venezuelan co-writer Oscar Hernandez."
• You don't need [18] as well as [17] to back up the writers
• There are too many refs at the end of the sentence; move them around it to the appropriate areas for fixing this
• ""Tiburones" runs for a total of" → "The song runs for a total of"
• The comp info should definitely have the rhythm mention from 20 added to pass broadness; however, are you sure there aren't any sources not cited that could be used for expansion since it is quite small?
• Add the Billboard ref at the end of the "Martin sings about..." sentence because it is currently not invoked here despite backing the info up
• "tells Billboard about the lyrics:" → "told Billboard about the lyrics:"
• "in fights, It is a proposal" → "in fights", going on to call it "a proposal" because the article's comma represents a pause in the quote

Critical reception

• You could definitely do with more reviews here since four is too little and there are others that can even be added from the current sources
• Remove target on Billboard
• "unity and acceptance."" → "unity and acceptance"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "saying "This is" → "saying: "This is"
• Remove link on Ritmo Romántica because you do not need to link to foreign Wiki articles
• "the song: "This is a romantic song," → "the track, labeling it "a romantic song," to avoid being wordy
• "of the government."" → "of the government"."

Year-end lists

• Retitle to Accolades, as you can merge the below section with this sub-section (keeping them combined as the latter)
• "16th Best Latin song of 2020." → "16th Best Latin song of the year." but this appears not to be backed up; probably try to add a working archive

Accolades

• These should come after the year-end lists in the proposed sub-section, plus write out in prose because four awards is too little for a table
• Target Song of the Year to Latin Grammy Award for Song of the Year

Commercial performance

• "on US Hot Latin Songs," → "on the US Hot Latin Songs chart,"
• The 49th entry and debut position are unsourced
• "in five different decades. (Including his Menudo membership)" → "across five decades, including his work as part of Menudo."
• Merge the first para with the second since they are too small to be separate
• "at number 25 becoming his 50th entery," → "at number 25, becoming Martin's 50th entry," and you should cite the chart history from the table instead of ref 29 using a refname, also add a source that backs up the debut position
• "Therefore Martin broke away" → "Therefore, Martin broke away"
• "the runner-up slot behind" → "the runner-up slot of most top 10s, coming behind"
• "It also extends his own" → "The song also extended his own"
• "on the chart with 47 songs, respectively." → "on the chart, with 47 songs." but this sentence is not backed up at all
• You should remove "the hit peaked in the top 10 of ten Latin American countries," from the opening sentence of the third para but keep the rest and change "reaching" to "reached"; the other Latin American countries should be mentioned by names after the info for the country and add the sources for the song peaking at number one in them
• Even though the peak position in Puerto Rico is sourced, the number of weeks is not and neither is first solo song part
• "to top Puerto Rico Year-End chart." → "to top the country's year-end chart."
• You should write out the South American top 20 positions here too, even if you don't state all of them exactly; they are high enough to be notable
• "by the AMPROFON," → "by the Asociación Mexicana de Productores de Fonogramas y Videogramas (AMPROFON),"

Music video

• Retitle to Promotion per the moving of other content here
• Wikilink music video on the img text and add a full-stop at the end
• "Snippets of the music video and" → "snippets of the accompanying music video and"
• "it will be released" → "it would be released"
• The Billboard ref does not source the snippets, announcement and Caguas filming; you could add ref 32 here to back up the latter of the three
• "in Caguas, Puerto Rico and" → "in Caguas, Puerto Rico, and"
• "for old Martin singles" → "for previous Martin singles" but these two being directed by Lopez is not sourced
• Merge the first and second paras, as they are too small to be on their own
• "confront citizen protests." → "confront apparent citizen protests." but the black singlet not having a source is fine because the pic backs it up
• "As Ricky Martin starts singing," → "As Martin starts singing," but this part is not sourced even though the Billboard ref mentions the rest of the sentence; you should also mention the part about it being her idea to wear the scarf
• [32] is used to back up all of the above para apart from the sentence about the green scarf, which is sourced by [15] so invoke both of them accordingly
• "Puerto Rico, Both the song" → "Puerto Rico." He continued, "Both the song"
• The diversity in sexual orientation part is not sourced, also merge that para with the above one
• ""What I've always" → "Martin explained, "What I've always" and remove the explains part from the end of the sentence in this context
• Remove the positive reviews sentence since there's not enough to back it up
• "described it as a "Powerful Video"," → "described the music video as powerful," plus merge this with the para that will feature both quotes from Martin in the new order
• The Video with a Purpose award should be solely in this section with the ref; same goes for Best Melodic Video award
• "Spotify promoted the release on" → "For further promotion, Spotify promoted the song on" because otherwise it sounds like you are talking about the video
• Merge the last para with the Spotify one
• The creation through Orbital Audio technology part is not sourced; I must have not picked up on this earlier

Remix

• Move this section to being the one directly before track listings
• Remove recording date from the infobox since it is unsourced
• WP:OVERLINK of Farruko under songwriters
• Either reword the opening sentence to mentioning the remix being released in the US or add various citations to back up a standard release
• The lyric video should be after music video, for grouping promotional info together
• "was also released on Ricky Martin's YouTube channel on the same day." → "was released on Martin's YouTube channel the same day as the remix."

Background

• Does not need to be a sub-section, as there is so little info prior to it so merge with the above para
• ""Tiburones" remix is the second collaboration" → "The remix marked the second collaboration"
• Remove target on "Perdóname"
• The artwork part is unsourced
• Remove target on Billboard
• "told about this collaboration:" → "told about the collaboration:"
• "Puerto Rican singer, Ozuna, explained that Ricky has" → "Puerto Rican singer Ozuna explained that Martin had" with the target
• "the remix of the song!" → "the remix of the song:" but only the last sentence of the para is backed up, so invoke ref 51 appropriately since it is a source for the rest
• "the song "Tiburones", the" → "the song 'Tiburones', the" per MOS:QWQ
• "for the YouTube channel, MoluscoTV." → "to the YouTube channel MoluscoTV."
• Brackets are not needed for the quote
• Target leaked to Internet leak
• "Ricky a lot...", Ozuna" → "Ricky a lot", Ozuna"
• "that he doesn't lose" → "that he did not lose"
• "of Ricky Martin and Farruko and that he" → "of Martin and Farruko, and that he"

Critical reception

• Merge with the below sub-section and retitle to Reception and promotion
• "saying "The upbeat remix" → "saying: "The upbeat remix"

Music Video

• This can be after the reception info in the same para of the new sub-section, as the reception is only one sentence
• "Ricky Martin and Farruko released a music video for the remix version." → "Martin and Farruko released a music video for the remix."
• Target black-and-white to Black and white
• "filmed at home," → "filmed at the singer's respective homes,"
• Remove wikilink on COVID-19 pandemic
• Target restrictions to COVID-19 lockdowns
• "in Los Angeles and Farruko was in" → "in Los Angeles, while Farruko's were shot in"
• "It was directed by" → "The visual was directed by" but his involvement with the other songs' visuals is not sourced

Credits and personnel

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel
• Wikilink and target any of the performers where possible

Live performances

• You should merge this section with the below one and retitle to Live performances and appearances in media, plus all the performances should be in the same para
• "on Martin's Movimiento Tour which" → "on Martin's the Movimiento Tour, which" but the source does not appear to mention the song as part of the setlist; please tell me if I missed something and if not, try to find a source that does list the song
• "the best performances of the ceremony." → "the best performances of the ceremony by Entertainment Tonight." with the wikilink
• "he performed the songs "Recuerdo" and" → "he performed "Recuerdo" and"
• Remove target on Latin Grammy Awards
• "on November 19, 2020." → "on November 19."
• You should mention the children surrounding him during the performance of the song per RS
• "of that night." → "of that night by Entertainment Tonight."

Cover versions and media usage

• This info should be the second para of the merged section I suggested
• Remove comma after Reik
• "during the COVID-19 pandemic with" → "during the COVID-19 pandemic, with"
• "The video was released on their" → "An accompanying music video was released via the band's"
• "Argentine singer, Emilia, shared her own cover version of "Tiburones" Remix on her Instagram stories." → "Argentine singer Emilia recorded a cover version of "Tiburones", which Martin shared to his Instagram Stories." with the wikilink per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "MYA, Argentine duo, recorded an Acoustic cover version of the song and shared" → "Argentine duo MYA recorded an acoustic cover version of the song, sharing" with the target
• "on their Instagram official page on April 11, 2020." → "via Instagram on April 11, 2020."
• Wikilink comedy-drama

Track listings

• The first one does not have any references to back up it also being the CD track list
• Remove the Headphone mix, as that is a release on the album rather than an independent track list

Credits and personnel

• Are you sure the recording engineer shouldn't be before assistant engineer?

Charts

Weekly charts

• Shouldn't Mexico be placed before Mexico Airplay?

Year-end charts

• Remove wikilinks on Monitor Latino, as it has already been wikilinked in the previous table
• Remove targets on Billboard per above
• US Latin Pop Songs → US Latin Pop Airplay

Certifications

• Good

Release history

• Change the release dates to be in the US format
• Set ref 125 to having a rowspan of 2 rather than invoking it separately on the two occasions, plus where does it mention the radio release?

See also

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks too high at 46.5% and 45.7% for the Entertainment Tonight Canada and Billboard refs, respectively; cut down the level of quoting to fix this
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• The majority of the refs are missing the publisher or work parameter; fill in accordingly by adding work when the website title is italicised and publisher when it is not. (Remember to only wikilink/target on the first mention for each per WP:OVERLINK.) Also, add the language parameter for any that are not in English.
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with refs 4, 18 and 57
• Refs 5, 52 and 76 are missing titles
• Add (US) in brackets for ref 9
• Replace ref 11 with ref 123 by using the refname
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 12, 23, 24, 69 and 125
• Are you sure ref 13 is reliable because the website says anyone can apply to be a contributor?
• Replace ref 26 with Martin's Hot Latin Songs chart history from the table by using a refname; do the same with ref 31 for his Latin Pop Airplay history
• WP:OVERLINK of Billboard on refs 28, 30 and 98
• Wikilink Monitor Latino on ref 34 because that is the first ref
• WP:OVERLINK of Monitor Latino on refs 37, 38, 39 and all of the ones invoked in the year-end table
• Replace ref 51 with the certification from the table by using a refname
• WP:OVERLINK of Apple Music on ref 62 and cite as publisher instead
• Refs 71 and 82 should remove the mobile part from the YT urls
• The GB citations for ref 75 and 123 are missing the bullet point before them
• Remove Tidal from the titles of refs 92 and 93, plus remove target for the latter of the two
• WP:OVERLINK of National-Report on ref 95
• Ref 117 is a duplicate of ref 37; fix this by using a refname

External links

• Replace music video with the lyric video here, as the former is already linked from the infobox

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but you have done good so far responding in steps to this review! --K. Peake 10:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

  @آرمین هویدایی: Even though we had been discussing issues on your talk page, I feel as if I should list out the remaining ones here that you have not resolved because it is the review page and I have fixed any that were not missed suggestions. Here are the issues: the Latin pop genre is still unsourced (Apple Music does not work for sourcing genres), you forgot to invoke the ref after the single release sentence in the opening section or source the cover art and first single since info, remove wikilink on ballad in the second section, fix the commas for the writing credits there, change the accolades sub-section to writing about them in more than two sentences, merge the awards for the video with the promotion para below, merge the last three paras of live performances and appearances in media to all being the second para of the section, release history should use a rowspan of two for the Latin America and Spain ref rather than having the countries together, fix the useless capitalisation for ref 73, also I missed Discogs initially on ref 96 which is unreliable so remove or replace it. Thank you for your time and good luck! --K. Peake 17:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: "marked Martin's first solo single since 2016's 'Perdóname'" is just a fact based on his discography and chronology. While, if I can't use this, I will remove this part. (I can also use sources for all of his last single releases to figure it out, if needed. - but there's no source to mention this exclusively) And instead of Discogs, am I ablo to use an eBay item? If not, I will remove CD release parts, because I couldn't find any other sources. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 19:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@آرمین هویدایی: You cannot use that since other wiki pages are not allowed as sources, plus the chronology is not very notable for prose so this removal is fine and eBay is unreliable per WP:UGC so just remove the CD and this should be good to go! --K. Peake 20:41, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Ok, I removed them; So I think finally everything's done. (: آرمین هویدایی (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@آرمین هویدایی: ✓ Pass now, I did clean up briefly where there were issues that weren't you fully missing things and congratulations on your first GA! --K. Peake 21:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Thank you so much for devoting your time, and thanks a lot for teaching me so many things. It was an honor for me to work with you and learn from you, I really appreciate it. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 21:53, 1 March 2021 (UTC)