Talk:Thuluth

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What...?![edit]

I have removed the following for being irrelevant. Thuluth belongs to the medieval era and is temporally far from whatever origins the Arabic script has. Anyway; The section I removed, as you can see, is just a big, unverified, unreadable bulk of words. I would call it nonsense! (That is; at least as much as the Thuluth is concerned) -- AMSA83

FROM NOUREDDINE: It seems that you do not do calligraphy. The Turkish thuluth is far more developed than the proto Naskhi and is an aesthetic evolution of it. If you do calligraphy, you may find that the "Othmanic" script of Kuran is about the Non-Kufi style (by Othman the third Caliph). The Thuluth is a thorough version of the Naskhi, which is the hand-written cursive of Arabic writing. This is what I am referring to in my article, not the elaborate Turkish Thuluth. The Omarian Treaty of Jerusalem was written with this cursive lettering and it goes back to the Caliph Omar times.--Noureddine (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC) I would appreciate if you could change your expression in the title above!!!!!![reply]

"To follow-up with the above: The Thuluth calligraphy proves the origins of the current Arabic calligraphy, by opposition to the Aramaic/Hebrew alphabet, which was the original Arabian alphabet. These origins are clearly the Greek alphabet written from right-to-left, instead of the Greek which is written from left-to-right. Take the Alfa, which is initially an Arabic word meaning the animal feed trough, shaped like a capital A, Alaf. The Greek Alpha is written without a long vertical shaft like in Arabic. The letter Beta is also Arabic meaning the House with one window and one door. The Gamma (supposed to have the shape of a Camel) is written from left-to-right, but if you write it from right-to-left you will find the Thuluth Jeem. The Greek Delta (Dalat in Arabic) written from left-to-right in small and in Capital like a triangle. In thuluth Arabic when you write it from right-to-left you find the same letter as in Greek. The Greek Eta (H) when written from left-to-right finds itself shaping the Arabic Thuluth as the Letter Ha as the combination of two semi-concentric rounds. Try it and see. The Greek Omega in its small shape is the same as the Arabic Waw. The Greek Ro written from left-to-right has the same shape as the Thuluth Ra and is supposed to shape the neck and the head (Raas or Rosh) of a camel. It still has the starting "head" to mark the origin of Ro. The Greek Sigma, small letter, if written from left-to-right is the same Seen (teeth in Arabic) in Thuluth. the other dented shape of Seen also reminds the Greek capital Sigma. The Greek Epsilon (E) also has the same features as the Arabic 'Ayn all without making the same "loops". The Arabic "hamza" (Hiatus) has the same use as the guttural Ayn (Eye in Arabic) and is written in Greek just like the Epsilonn. The Greek Kappa shapes exactly the human hand with fingers meaning the Kaff in Arabic, which is closely related to the Greek X as being the kaaf in thuluth. The Grrek Mu also written from left-to-right shapes the same thuluth Arabic Meem written from right-to-left. It is important to say here that contrary to the common Arabic thought that the Meem is a "loop", it is not, just figure the Greek Mu and you will find what the Meem means. The Greek Nu also finds itself is the thuluth calligraphy shaping itself like the Greek Nu. The Noon later transformed itself into the current semi-circle with a dot. the above does not mean that the Greek alphabet copied the Arabic alphabet, but we can say that the Arabic by copying the Greek, was borrowing from its own origins. This process must have happened in the first centuries of the Anno Domini when the Mecca annual Hajj "fair" illustrated the Poetry competition (Mu'allakaat) in that form of writing. That must have happened in those centuries before Islam. When Islam came, calligraphers were still using the old Kufi style, that was easily replaced by the "new" writing for its ease and practicality. Nonetheless, let us remember that the Greek culture dominated the Middle east from the third century B.C. to the late sixth century despite the coming of the Romans who could not impose their alphabet on the East Mediterranean, as the Greek did. Let us think of the genius of those Arab scholars who adapted the Greek calligraphy to the complications and contortions of the Arabic language and writing. This is the reason why we cannot conceive the fact that the Aramaic/Hebrew alphabet, which is the ancient Alphabet of the region, could be used in writing the complex Arabic poetry, and obviously not the Kur'an. The Aramaic/Hebrew writing must have disappeared from writing Arabic many centuries before the coming of Islam. Calligraphy is the secret that can decipher the origins of the Arabic alphabet. Noureddine 01:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Style[edit]

Hi, I have made a "major" change, and included the Ottoman influences into modern day Sülüs or Thuluth. I would be delighted to answer any question you might have, feel free to drop me a line! Cheers! --Eae1983 (talk) 19:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


From Noureddine: Thank you for your contribution, although I do not see it. Please let me know what you have changed, my text is still OK and I agree with the final version above. I know how complex the Mu'allakat epics in Mecca are. I admit that I do not know the shape of their writing when they were hanging on the Kaabah, before Islam but I wonder if they were written with the Kufi style lettering, which could be a real miracle of quantitative impossibility. All I know is that Damascus was using Greek alphabet when it was "Opened". That is how (I imagine) the Greek influence modulated the cursive Arabic. Please enlighten me.--Noureddine (talk) 19:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

trisection[edit]

In Thuluth, one-third of each letter slopes [...]

What on earth does that even mean? The letters do not divide naturally into thirds. —Tamfang (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be interested in knowing more about this, too, but don't you think a calligrapher can figure out what a third of a line is? By "slopes", I would say it means "is at an angle" somewhere between the horizontal and the vertical. CorinneSD (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, does "slopes" mean something different from "curves"? Does the style bend ا to fit the rule? Does it straighten some part or parts of ودن so that two-thirds are horizontal or vertical? —Tamfang (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. CorinneSD (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wonder if anybody in Duluth knows. Sca (talk) 21:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aditya Kabir Do you know? CorinneSD (talk) 00:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding of slope is a vertical gradient; curve usually connotes a horizontal arc. Sca (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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