Talk:Thorfinn the Mighty

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In the Karl Hundason section, 1st paragraph, the statement that in around 1040 Hundason is attacking Thorfinn and who is "most likely Mac Bethad", and then the last paragraph the statement that Thorfinn had a "strong alliance he held with his half-brother or cousin (historians still debate on this) Macbeth of Moray, King of Scotia." Surely both statements can't be true. According to the Orkneyinga Saga, Hundason tried three times to defeat Thorfinn; this was the same time that Mac Bethad defeated Donnchad at Elgin. If anything, Thorfinn would have been batting for Mac Bethad against Donnachd. Once MacBeth became king, if he were Hundason, would he have left Thorfinn alone? --Billreid 18:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Karl Hundason bit is now revised and hopefully makes some sense. I was going to go into more detail, but that seems to confuse the issue rather than clarifying it. The idea that Karl was Donnchad will get addressed in the section on Ms. Dunnett's theory which appears in Donaldson's Northern Commonwealth, so it deserves a mention here. I am told that Alex Woolf seems less convinced of the historicity of the early parts of the saga than many writers have been. We'll see what he has to say when From Pictland to Alba is published, whenever that might be. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have recently started reading the Orkneyinga Saga and was confused by the character of Karl Hundason. However some time spent on Google turned up KARL HUNDASON, "KING OF SCOTS." BY A. B. TAYLOR, D.LiTT., F.S.A.ScoT. (http://www.tarbat-discovery.co.uk/Learning%20Files/Karl%20Hundason%20'King%20of%20Scots'.pdf). Maybe I'm no further forward with the identification of Karl Hundason, but thought I would bring this topic to the fore again! Brewphilip 15:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Blar Nam Feinne[edit]

Just wondering if anyone can comment on this RCAHMS report on Blar Nam Feinne just west of Inverness (grid reference NH595433, which reports a local tradition of a battle there between "King Malcolm" and Thorfinn in the early 11th century. Reports seem to vary from Malcolm winning to dying. :-))) Le Deluge (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Le Deluge: Now added - better late than never! Ben Mac Dui 17:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thomson (2008)[edit]

The article refers repeatedly to "Thomson (2008)", but no work of a Thomson occurs among the sources. Does anyone know what is meant and can add it? Orcoteuthis (talk) 14:54, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Serious omission and belated fix now in place. Ben Mac Dui 17:13, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 15:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 15:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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which were written down long after the time of the events in his life they record I suggest you change this to which created long after the events of his life they record.

We know roughly when the saga was first written down, but unfortunately we have no idea when the oral material it records was first created. Ben Mac Dui 11:07, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On the last day of the feast Thorkel was supposed to travel with Einar for the reciprocal event but the former's spies reported that ambushes were in place en route. suggest On the last day of the feast Thorkel was supposed to travel with Einar for the reciprocal event, however his spies reported to him that ambushes had been prepared against him along his route.

Done.

ended with Karl defeated and fugitive or dead. suggest ended with Karl either being killed or forced to flee.

Done.

That is all my comments, passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:06, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the review & these comments. Ben Mac Dui 11:07, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]