Talk:Theater of the Mind

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Eminem[edit]

It says he wants to work with him.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 06:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference? SE KinG (talk) 06:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can look right on the page.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 07:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Timing Is Everything[edit]

Luda is working hard to finish up the album, saying that a single is coming in the next few weeks, "Timing is everything."

That doesn't say that he has a song called "Timing Is Everything". If it was a track, the I and E would be capitalized. He is just saying that timing determines when you should release a single. SE KinG (talk) 04:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pushed Back?[edit]

Mr. October my ass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.254.224 (talk) 02:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tracklist[edit]

  1. Opening Credits (Intro)
  2. Let’s Get Em
  3. Dirty Dirty (Co-Starring Playaz Circle)
  4. Roll Call
  5. What Them Girls Like (Co-Starring Chris Brown & Sean Garrett)
  6. Superhero
  7. Love Songs (Co-Starring Jarvis)
  8. Eat You Alive (Co-Starring Lil Wayne)
  9. Shut Them Down
  10. You Can’t Stop Me
  11. Undisputed
  12. One More Drink (Co-Starring T-Pain)
  13. Real Talk
  14. Wish You Would (Co-Starring T.I.)
  15. Call Up the Homies (Co-Starring The Game & Willy Northpole)
  16. Pull the Trigger
  17. What I Did (All in a Day)
  18. Closing Credits (Outro)

Found here.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 02:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hip Hop Group is the most BS blog site ever. No way a little dinky blog could get the official tracklist about two months before the album release. SE KinG (talk) 02:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They usually get it legit enough to believe its true.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 02:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of whether they are right or wrong, blogs are not reliable sources and should not be used. DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 02:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some more songs[edit]

"Wake Up" Co-Starring Talib Kweli & Dave Chappelle Prod. 9th Wonder
"Two Man Show" Co-Starring Lil Fate & Allen Iverson Prod. The Runners
"Everybody hates Cris" Co-Starring Chris Rock Prod. Don Cannon
"Love Songs" Co-Starring Jarvis Prod. Tricky Stewart
"Dirty Dirty" Co-Starring Playaz Circle Prod. Polow Da Don
"Breakin' the Rules" Co-Starring Young Buck & Tiger Woods Prod. Drumma Boy
"Stand Up for What You Believe In" Co-Starring Barack Obama Prod. DJ Premier
"Too Early Too Wake" Co-Starring Lupe Fiasco & Denzel Washington Prod. Ski

--69.250.110.254 (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you cite these songs? DiverseMentality(Discuss it) 19:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-starring[edit]

Due to some promotional gimmick where this album is being advertised like a show, the Tack list was called "Featured scenes" or some such and guests were labeled "Co-starring". The "Co-starring" keeps coming back. I have now labeled it "Featured guest(s)", consistent with all previous albums. Any changes back to "Co-starring" that do not give a solid reason why we are labeling featured guests as something other than that will be reverted without comment. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is co-starring. Ludacris revealed that is not featured guests, it's co-starring in an interview with MTV. Also all the singles have co-starring stated on them. SE KinG (talk) 06:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When did Ludacris begin dictating what we write? Yeah, he calls them movies. How many legs would a cow have if we called its tail a leg? Four. What someone calls it doesn't change what it is. If the singles say "Co-star", they are also basing it on statements by Ludacris, so they would be wrong as well.
Incidentally, it is worth noting that you called them "singles", not "movies". Why? Because they are not movies.
If you believe that the songs actually are movies, then this album is merely a non-notable compilation box set. It would be absurd, of course, to argue that it isn't notable because the songs are songs, not movies, and the album is an album, not a compilation of movies.
If you would like to continue to argue that they are movies and, therefore, should be described as such, please demonstrate that they are movies. That is, provide reliable sources independent of the album/movie/whatever, Ludacris, his record label/movie company/whatever that calls the songs movies, not "conceptually like movies" or "sorta, kinda, almost similar to movies", "movies". (I will, of course, reply with ten times as many sources calling them songs, singles, etc.) Otherwise, I will restore the text shortly. If you still have an issue with it, and no one else comments, an RfC will certainly solve the question. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 12:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No discussion, so I've changed it back. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you delete information that is 100% and clearly confirmed? If Ludacris said so himself that it's co-starring, then why shouldn't the featured guests be co-starring? SE KinG (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ludacris calls his album a "movie", the songs "scenes" and the featured guests "co-stars". Nevertheless, the album is an album. You haven't changed that ("Theater of the Mind is the sixth upcoming studio album..."). The songs are songs. You haven't changed that ("Confirmed tracks"). You have a bee under your bonnet about the featured guests. Why I do not know. Yes, we have it from reliable sources that Ludacris calls them "co-stars". No matter, they are still featured guests. You do not have a reliable independent source saying that they are co-stars. I'll wait a bit, again, for discussion, then change it back if there isn't any. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 21:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MTV is a reliable source. And I'm pretty sure that the actual artist verbally saying the information counts as some what reliable. SE KinG (talk) 21:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, MTV did not say they are "co-stars". Ludacris said on MTV that they are "co-stars". Ludacris is not an independent source about his own album. If he said this is the best album in the history of the world, we could say that "Ludacris says this is the best album in the history of the world." not "This is the best album in the history of the world." - 21:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I see that. And I agree with everything you've said except about featured guests. Yes, Ludacris said it, but it is listed on iTunes as co-starring and it is written on the singles covers.
The only reason I am pushing for featured guests to be co-stars is because it has references. People who are saying confirmed tracks should be scenes or singles should be trailers I don't agree with because no one has come across a reference stating that information. SE KinG (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, those are not independent of the subject. What the album cover or iTunes says is what the record label has released. There are no independent reliable sources using that terminology. Its all Ludacris and/or Disturbing tha Peace/def Jam. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the sources currently cited in the article, I cannot find one instance of any of the independent sources using that terminology. Billboard, an independent reliable source, in the single most cited source in the article, realizes they are "featured guests" though Ludacris "(bills them) as co-stars". Hip Hop Chronicle refers to them as "guest features" (then again, that lovely little source refers to Georgia as a "city" so...). The sohh blog cited (ugh) refers to the song "Everybody Hates Cris ft. Chris Rock". The other Billboard article mentions various "featuring"s, "featured"s and "guests". - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Tracklisting[edit]

I posted this on ATRL. 

  1. Wish You Would (Co-Starring T.I.) (Prod. DJ Toomp)
  2. Listen to the Voice (Co-Starring Lil Fate & Saigon) (Prod. Just Blaze)
  3. Everybody Hates 'Cris (Co-Starring Chris Rock) (Prod. Don Cannon)
  4. Call Up the Homies (Co-Starring The Game & Willy Northpole) (Prod. Clinton Sparks)
  5. Undisputed (Co-Starring Floyd Mayweather) (Prod. Don Cannon)
  6. Love Songs (Co-Starring Jarvis) (Prod. Tricky Stewart)
  7. MVP (Co-Starring LaDainian Tomlinson) (Prod. DJ Premier)
  8. What Them Girls Like (Co-Starring Chris Brown & Sean Garrett) (Prod. Darkchild)
  9. Southern Gangsters (Co-Starring Playaz Circle & Rick Ross) (Prod. The Runners)
 10. Dreams Come True (Co-Starring Small World & Andre 3000) (Prod. Organized Noize)
 11. Mind Reader (Co-Starring Samuel L. Jackson) (Prod. Drumma Boy)
 12. One More Drink (Co-Starring T-Pain) (Prod. DJ Nasty & LVM)
 13. Let the Truth Be Told (Co-Starring I-20 & Papoose) (Prod. Black Milk)
 14. Do the Right Thing (Co-Starring Common & Spike Lee) (Prod. 9th Wonder)
 15. Last of a Dying Breed (Co-Starring Lil Wayne) (Prod. Dre & Vidal)
 16. Doubting the Devil (Co-Starring John Legend) (Prod. Kanye West)

Thats the tracklisting I recieved.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 02:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Did you receive that in a dream or from a reliable source? - Mdsummermsw (talk) 12:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dream.

--Piazzajordan2 (Talk.) 22:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but barring any breakthroughs, that's not verifiable. Also, since I once had a dream involving Uma Thurman and Lyle Lovette, I can assure you that dreams are not reliable sources. In the future, please keep additions to the Talk page focused on improving the article. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative track listing[edit]

Concerning this edit; DJBooth.com is not a reliable source. The track listing is not confirmed by reliable third-party sources, such as MTV.com. Also, note how website itself says it's a tentative track listing, meaning it's not written in stone and is uncertain. Until a reliable source confirms the track listing, it should remain off the article. Also, please discuss any problems before reverting to avoid an edit war. Thank you. DiverseMentality 06:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that the album will have 18 tracks. SE KinG (talk) 07:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, what DO you consider a reliable source? We get our news straight from the labels, and no news gets on without the label's approval. Plus, Mr. DiverseMentality, I don't see an "admin" userbox on your user page. Tom Danson (talk) 18:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You know, changing your comment won't hide anything. You write for the site and you think it's a reliable source, an obvious conflict of interest. I am not badmouthing anything or anyone, I'm simply following Wikipedia policy. Just because I'm not an admin doesn't mean I can't enforce policy. If you strongly feel DJBooth is a reliable source, please take it to WP:RSN and ask for comments. DiverseMentality 22:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Nasty Girl" produced by...?[edit]

I just wanted to know if someone could edit the tracklisting page with the correct info for "Nasty Girl" because even though Theater of the Mind's booklet says the song is produced by Swizz Beatz, I believe it to be a typo since the beat sounds very similar to other Scott Storch beats and throughout the song there is a sound heard which sounds like someone whispering "Scott Storch" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Left-e88 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the problem: the album booklet is a reliable source. Your opinion that it "sounds like" someone else's work is not. If the track is actually produced by someone other than who the booklet says, we'll have to wait for a reliable source to report it. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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