Talk:The London Gazette/Archive 1

Archive 1

Is the London Gazette really the oldest continuously published paper in the world?

Do we have a source for the Gazette being the oldest continuously published paper in the world? The Gazette itself claims only that:

The London Gazette, first published in 1665, is the oldest, continuously published newspaper in the United Kingdom and probably the world

According to http://www.lian.com/TANAKA/comhosei/NPinEB.htm, there's a weekly Swedish paper, the Post-och Inrikes Tidningar, at http://www.poit.org/ which appears to predate it, dating from 1645. The oldest daily paper appears to be the Wiener Zeitung, dating from 1703. Mpntod 18:51, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

I have changed from world to UK Tim! (talk) 10:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

As far as I could gather from Swedish websites the Post-och Inrikes Tidningar is published "periodically" (possibly weekly, though I ddn't find any mention of it). It is hardly a newspaper as such, though, rather an official publication, where new laws, regulations and such are printed. Incidentally, it's published by the Swedish Academy (of Nobel Prize fame) by royal decree. Asav

Doesn't sound too different to the London Gazette then! That is also an official publication. Mpntod 09:11, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Berrows Journal Coming from Worcester (England) I thought Berrows Journal is the oldest conventional newspaper i.e., free from state control and publicly distributed without subscription. It has not been continuously available, having been intermittent from 1690 until 1709.

See the http://www.berrowsjournal.co.uk for more detail on its history. SWadsworth

Wales

Just wondering how Wales fits into the 2nd/3rd paragraphs? Assuming Cardiff does not have its own gazette, does the London gazette pertain to "England and Wales", like so many laws? If not, what's the deal? Thx 129.67.125.194 10:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Sigh...those poor Welsh don't even get their own newspaper. Rupert Murdoch should look into this. ;-) 70.20.216.186 (talk) 18:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Delays

Peter Mandelson is to be introduced in the House of Lords on Monday, but neither his Letters Patent nor the intent to issue the same have been published in the Gazette. I've noticed that delays in publication of State notices are not unusual. Is there a known reason for these delays other than government inefficiency? If so, is it worth mentioning in the article? -Rrius (talk) 03:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

As ever, unless we can third-party reliable sources about the issue we can't add it to the article. David Underdown (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Obviously. That doesn't answer the question, though. The question was two fold: is there a reason for such delay other than governmental failure and, if so, would it be worthy of mention? Obviously, if the answer to the latter is "yes", anything added would have to be sourced. -Rrius (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

News reports

Still in 1757, The London Gazette contained brief foreign news reports. When did this end? --LA2 (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect name ?

Does anyone know why this article is not at The London Gazette, which seems to be the correct name? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

usage seems to be slightly inconsistent, the domain name they use is simply http://www.london-gazette.co.uk for instance, and in the masthead "The" is in much smaller type than "London Gazette". Also the "About" page of the website, http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/about, consistently uses "the London Gazette", except at the start of sentences, whereas you'd expect "The London Gazette" all the time if they regarded that as the official name. David Underdown (talk) 10:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Have moved the article to The London Gazette as this is undoubtedly the publication's name. (Respect to user David Underdoawn, but internet domain names do not necessarily reflect the legal/offical names of publications in other media, and if typographical considerations are to be taken into account then The Guardian's name might be subject to question too. --Picapica (talk) 11:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Problems with this Article

(1) It states that the London Gazette is a journal of record. If you follow the link to "journal of record", it concerns a somewhat different type of publication. (2) It is said that the paper's claim to be the first newspaper is debatable because it doesn't cover general news. Yet the paper is also said to have reported on, e.g., the Great Fire of London. This makes it look like the paper used to carry general news, at least to some extent, but the article gives no indication of when this ceased and how far the nature of the paper has changed over time.86.164.70.4 (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

The Gazette is not what most press historians would consider England's (or the UKs) journal of record; that honour is usually conferred upon The Times. It did carry a variety of news stories, many of which were later copied or expanded upon by the London and provincial press. In the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, it was often used (if not necessarily intended to be used) in the same manner as the AP or Reuters. Although the entry of newspaper of record had been altered to accommodate the multiple definitions, I would suggest the link to journal of record be replaced with a separate article on Official or Government publications to avoid confusion. Mhbeals (talk) 08:31, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Great Fire scan

I suspect that the scan of the 1666 Gazette is not contemporary: see Talk:Great Fire of London#London Gazette image. Thank you! Omassey (talk) 14:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I have updated the image caption (after 5 years). Addedentry (talk) 12:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

"Gazetted" and knighthoods, etc.

This section is missing information on the term "gazetted" referring to publication of the conferring of knighthoods and other UK honors, which may conventionally be used (e.g. "OBE" after one's name) publicly upon gazetting, without waiting for formal investiture (which is often skipped nowadays anyway). I suspect this section used to have something on this, because MOS:POSTNOM links to this article section in that specific context.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  10:11, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Modern look of the publication

It is good to see historical look of the publication. But how does the front page of The London Gazette look like in contemporary times, like say in 2016. That interests us as much and should be included as well in the article. werldwayd (talk) 02:20, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

The dot at the end of the title

In both editions displayed of The London Gazette, the name of the publication contains the dot at the end of the word Gazette ... Does this practice continue nowadays or is the dot removed in later issues? werldwayd (talk) 02:23, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

brevity is not always best

Other official newspapers of the UK government are The Edinburgh and The Belfast Gazettes …

I think saving one word is not worth the momentary confusion to the reader. (It's easier to parse when spoken.) I'm changing it to the more literal The Edinburgh Gazette and The Belfast Gazette. —Tamfang (talk) 07:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)