Talk:The Crane Wife

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Does anyone know why Crane Wife 3 comes before parts 1 & 2? 195.148.184.88 (talk) 08:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Major Label debut by the Decemberists

Sidenote: isn't major label indie rock kind of an oxymoron?

Kind of. 72.77.76.235 17:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I just added the Story of the Crane Wife. Please fix the summary as you see fit. Also, some indie music just isnt that well known, though indie does imply "independent record lable"--Thomas Exciting 03:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have found what appears to be the cd cover with the band name and album title on it. I've uploaded it here [1], and would like it if someone could confirm that this is or isnt the official cover. --Thomas Exciting 06:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should something be mentioned about this being available on P2P and other such networks? Believe it hit sometime around the beginning of August, a full two months before its street date. --Nunix 10:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. It's not particularly relevant information, and it will continue to become less notable as time passes. 216.157.208.6 21:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The p2p thing is there, and it may end up being more important. The effects of albums beling leaked to the internet before release dates is something worth documenting simply because the numbers are important. Colin Meloy has expressed his wishes that the album not be downloaded before the release date (at least with Picaresque) and I think that it should be left there. --Thomas Exciting 23:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, here's a question then: How should one cite the claim (as it currently appears in the article) that the album was leaked on 13 August? A Google search turns up some non-notable (to me, anyway) blog posts, that's it. Are those sufficiently 'verifiable'? ~ lav-chan @ 21:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thats a very good point. I did some googling myself and turned up nothing. Though, whatever blog posts you found could count as citation. I didn't find anything but posts about it around August 17th (including notable places like Stereogum) but nothing for the 13th that wasn't probably influenced by a search to this site. I'm going to leave it, but if someone removes it and places it in the Talk page, I'll have no objections.Thomas Exciting 13:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If no one objects, I might add a bit about the positive reviews it's received, with a reference to metacritic. This might have to be watched for a little while, but the metascore will become pretty stable after the end of this year. PunkOn 11:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Arrow bit[edit]

"Band leader Colin Meloy found a version of this story and decided to write music based on it. His version is the version with the arrow." I don't really get that last sentence, it doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the Crane Wife story, as there are no earlier references to a version of the story with an arrow. Could someone clear up what this means? PunkOn 08:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it, either. I have taken the liberty of removing it. --huwr 02:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to the arrow is still there in the story. It was its injury.--Thomas Exciting 02:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Tempest[edit]

Maybe a clarification on just how "The Island" is a reterlling of the Tempest. The two stories seem somewhat dissimilar to me, other than the presence of an island and a daughter.

There is a line in "Come and See" that goes: "Its contents watched by Sycorax and Patagon in Parallax." - Sycorax being a character from "Tempest." I really don't see a connection in theme or content other than that. Take 2: I looked up Patagon which was a supposed race of giants that the explorer Ferdinand Magellan wrote about. I take since the lyric includes both that he gets his ideas from multiple sources and not to draw to directly to any one more than another.

OK, I had always heard "Sycorax" as "ziggarauts", so I didn't get that. My bad.

I removed it. If anyone wants to put "A Retelling of the Tempest" back in, let's see some justification first. The song, after all, is about rape and murder, and neither of those happens in the Tempest. Rufusgriffin 23:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, each part of the song can be accounted for. Come and See is a general introduction to The Island and Sycrorax's exile. The second part is about the attempted rape of Miranda by Caliban. The third part, I'm guessing is about Prospero's vengeance on his betrayers, by "drowning" his book of magic, though there are several parts where killing is involved. And I found all of this at wikipedia's page on The Tempest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest), which also makes reference to The Decemberist's song retelling parts of the story. Because of this, I've made reference to The Tempest in the opening paragraph. - 69.253.55.143 08:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two Song Cycles[edit]

The opening paragraph talks about how the album focuses on "two song cycles", those being The Crane Wife and The Island. However, I believe the two song cycles that it "focuses" on are The Crane Wife 3 and The Crane Wife 1 & 2; tracks 1 and 9 respectively. And if it is supposed to say that it focuses on The Crane Wife and The Island, could someone explain this to me, or direct me to a source that states this? I can understand why it would focus on The Crane Wife since the song shares the name with the album, but as an owner of the album, I really don't hear how it focuses on The Island more than any of the others. 144.80.227.230 15:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't. It's just a long, good song. It's like saying Picaresque centres around The Mariner's Revenge Song because it's long and good, and happens to be more literary than other songs on the album. Perhaps also someone should make mention of The Perfect Crime cycle, since the article notes that there are parts 1 and 2. Artiste-extraordinaire 22:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Crane Wife...[edit]

What version of this story did Colin Meloy read? Here i'm assuming there are more than one slightly different version. Can someone mention a specific version? thanks 142.162.130.163 (talk) 16:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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