Talk:Terabit Ethernet
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revert of "used to describe speeds of Ethernet at or above 1000 Gbit/s"[edit]
The reasons for reverting Madbrenner's good faith edit from "used to describe speeds of Ethernet above 100 Gbit/s" to "used to describe speeds of Ethernet at or above 1000 Gbit/s":
- There is no 1000 Gbit/s Ethernet today or in the near, foreseeable future. 200 and 400 Gbit/s are in development and expected by the end of 2017 while true terabit will take at least another 5 to 10 years (my personal estimate).
- The title orginated from early 2010s efforts to develop a terabit speed Ethernet PHY. However, as of 2017 this has only led to the development of said 400 Gbit/s due to technical feasibility, expected pricing and expected market acceptance. This is already sourced in the article but not obvious – room for improvement.
- It may be necessary to discuss whether the article has to be moved. Changing the lead to state that it refers to actual terabit speeds collides with reality.
--Zac67 (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Petabit class devices section[edit]
In my understanding this section is wrong here and should be removed. The total device capacity is off-topic here, the article is about Ethernet PHYs. Any relation between these device and multiple-hundred Gbit Ethernet is missing. --Zac67 (talk) 11:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- I removed it as there was no mention to terabit Ethernet in the prose or the references. ~Kvng (talk) 12:58, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Confusing for average reader[edit]
I wanted to know how many fiber strands each standard needs. And as an extra information how many wavelengths per fiber strand are used. But I don't understand this article.
- Is "media count" the same as fiber strands needed?
- According to the article 400GBASE-LR8 uses 1 media. Is this required fibers per direction? So to use it bidirectially you have to install a cable with a pair of fibers (2x the media?).
- And what are "lanes"? Is this the number of wavelengths per direction?
Kwinzman (talk) 23:53, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, "media count" means fiber strands per direction for optical PHYs. You need twice that in total for a link. The quotient of "lanes" and "media count" is the number of wavelengths/lambdas/colors in WDM. --Zac67 (talk) 08:49, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! Makes sense now. Could you add that to the article somehow? Also with 400GBASE-SR4.2 it says 2 lanes right now. According to your explanation if I understood it correctly that is not correct and it should say "lanes: 2 per medium" instead? Thanks again! Kwinzman (talk) 10:27, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- We won't want detailed explanations in all PHY articles, I'll think about how to link that. We can hone details as in 400G-SR4.2 as soon as the specs are available; I don't have them yet (the standard is due pretty much now, specs to be released in spring). It's likely to use WDM: 2 wavelengths × 2 strands, 4 lanes in total. --Zac67 (talk) 10:34, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- 400GBASE-SR4.2 uses four pairs of MMF so eight fibres in total. There are two wavelengths per fibre, each transmitting in a different direction. This halves the number of fibres required compared to 400GBASE-SR8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.212.46 (talk) 16:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have tried to make these columns less confusing over on the 100 Gbit table over on 100_Gigabit_Ethernet. I didn't realized this was also discussed over here. Zac67 please take a look at the changes I made. JeffMorriss (talk) 12:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- @JeffMorriss: Great, looks much better now, especially the media counts! --Zac67 (talk) 07:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback folks. OK, I've applied these changes to the 200G and 400G tables. Is it time to close/delete this issue? JeffMorriss (talk) 18:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
QSFPDD correct for 400GBASE-CR4?[edit]
For 400GBASE-CR4, the table lists "QSFPDD" in the "OFC or RFC" column. Is this really correct? QSFPDD provides 8 lanes in each direction (16 in total). However, only 4 lanes in each direction are needed (hence the "4" in "CR4"). Why would QSFP112 not be sufficient, then?
Also have a look at the "Form factors" in the bottom-right corner of 2020 Ethernet Roadmap, which shows "4-400 Gb/s" next to a QSFP (not DD) port.
Please let me know if I have missed something! 90.145.31.194 (talk) 08:27, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Seems you're right. But 400G-CR4 isn't released yet, so it's hard to take a look. Feel free to contest or remove the QSFPDD connector right away or just wait until it's released (due in mid 2022). --Zac67 (talk) 20:08, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
800G table at the end of the page[edit]
Two things jumped out at me regarding the 800G table at the bottom of the page. It looks like this mostly is the result of copying / pasting the previous table:
(1) The top of the table (green background) says "Line rate: 8x 53.1250 GBd x2 = 425.0 GBd". This looks like it was copied from the previous table, and the number of lanes were changed from 4 to 8, but the total was not updated. It should say 850.0 GBd not 425.0 GBd.
(2) The reference given for this (number 37) cannot be correct and I suggest it be removed. Reference 37 is from mid-2017. There are zero mentions of 800G in this slide deck. Ideally another reference could be used, but for now this reference should be removed.
ChrisTracy (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- This might be a better reference: https://www.ieee802.org/3/df/public/22_07/healey_3df_01a_2207.pdf
- There might be something even better under here: https://www.ieee802.org/3/df/index.html
- I see some reverting back and forth on the line-rate. Maybe it should be Gbps rather than GBd so perhaps "Line rate: 8x 53.1250 GBd x2 = 850.0 Gbps" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.217.253.59 (talk) 16:26, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- The x2 for all PAM encodings which isn't present for NRZ certainly suggests some intent to calculate in Gbps rather than GBd. There's a bit of a mix of this across the tables. 2A02:8012:1295:FC:57B:D9C2:7294:F074 (talk) 14:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)