Talk:TCN Protocol

Notability

@Bravetheif IMHO this still doesn't pass notability, do you want more time to find strong WP:RS or should I ask for a third opinion based on its current form?

@Rolf h nelson I believe this topic is notable because it appears to be the protocol that pioneered the approach now used by the Google / Apple contact tracing project (citations in text) and the Decentralized Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing project. The research group behind the protocol has also been in the news recently as part of the mounting criticism of the Pan-European Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing project. Bravetheif. It also appeared in a joint statement signed by hundreds of academics suggesting it, along with three other protocols be considered for use within Europe. (talk) 06:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Take a look at the WP:Notability guidelines if you haven't already. If there's not much press nor independent scholarly commentary on the protocol itself, then there's not much value-add in having a wikipedia page; readers wanting to learn about the protocol should just look at the papers directly. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 06:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

There may not be as much press coverage about TCN as it's competing protocols, but it has received some. Most of it's press coverage has been in the context of CoEpi and CovidWatch, two apps implementing the protocol.

This appears to be about the concept of TCN, and doesn't mention the specific "TCN protocol" covered in this article.

It's gated, does it specifically talk about the TCN protocol?

Did you mean a different article here? I don't get the relevance.

It has also had independent scholarly commentary, such as what I linked. In particular it's "Temporary Contact Number" concept has had a fair amount of discussion by both academics and media, since TCN is the only digital contact tracing protocol that uses unique identifiers for each encounter. The others, Google/Apple, BlueTrace, PEPP-PT, and DT-3T all use Ephemeral IDs shared across encounters. Bravetheif (talk) 09:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Two of those are university press releases, none of the four are peer-reviewed. Please review WP:RS if you haven't already. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Broadening it to Temporary Contact Numbers in general rather than just the TCN Protocol might help, but in that case a lot of the weakly-sourced content would still need to get gutted IMHO. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I would be happy to broaden it and move the page to Temporary Contact Numbers, but I made it specifically about the TCN protocol because the only usage of Temporary Contact Numbers is in the TCN protocol. I also did so because I am trying to document the major digital contact tracing protocols, and this is one developed by several major institutions and appears to have influenced the recent movement to decentralized reporting with the likes of DP-3T Bravetheif (talk) 17:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Your source [1] states "Most digital tracing apps will work like this: Your phone will generate a temporary contact number, known as a TCN". They FAIK may be using incorrect terminology and have meant something more broad than TCN, but if so, that mitigates against proposing it as a source in the first place. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 03:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request: The question appears to be whether the subject of this article is sufficiently notable to warrant inclusion in the encyclopaedia. Given the large number of sources provided for the article, I have undertaken a review of these with a view to understanding whether the sources go toward the establishment of notability. This review is included below. Source Analysis Source assessment table: Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG? https://www.covid-watch.org/ ✘ No https://www.coepi.org/ ~ ~ ✘ No https://github.com/covid19risk/covidwatch-ios/commit/b520d1486d9d898dadeb15dd94fbbb16c0e1d6a1 Github. ~ ✘ No https://blog.nordicsemi.com/getconnected/things-you-should-know-about-bluetooth-range ~ ✘ No https://news.stanford.edu/2020/04/09/stanford-researchers-help-develop-privacy-focused-coronavirus-alert-app/ ~ ~ ✘ No https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/29/world/coronavirus-pandemic-privacy-rights// Not mentioned ✘ No https://venturebeat.com/2020/04/13/what-privacy-preserving-coronavirus-tracing-apps-need-to-succeed/ ~ One paragraph mention in article about privacy implications of COVID-19 tracing apps ~ Partial https://qz.com/1838625/how-bluetooth-could-power-a-global-experiment-in-contact-tracing/ ~ Blog Mentions Temporary Contact Number as part of an explanation of how digital tracing apps work. Not in-depth or significant coverage. ✘ No https://www.covid-watch.org/article/ One line mention referring reader back to GitHub. ✘ No https://github.com/covid19risk/ Github ~ ✘ No https://web.archive.org/web/20200410042947/https://www.covid-watch.org/blog/bluetooth/ ~ Not mentioned. ✘ No https://www.covid-watch.org/news/ List of media coverage of covid watch ✘ No https://pact.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-PACT-protocol-specification-ver-0.1.pdf/ ? 404 error ? ? ? Unknown https://news.mit.edu/2020/bluetooth-covid-19-contact-tracing-0409 Not mentioned. ✘ No https://github.com/TCNCoalition/TCN/commit/1b68b920db1fb42709c7c8eb28c3d5e10c76fc3c ~ ✘ No https://github.com/covid19risk/covidwatch-ios/ ~ ✘ No https://github.com/covid19risk/ ~ ✘ No https://github.com/covid19risk/ ~ ✘ No https://bluetrace.io/static/bluetrace_whitepaper-938063656596c104632def383eb33b3c.pdf ~ Authored by team behind "BlueTrace" Journal article ~ Discusses temporary ID numbers as part of discussion of how BlueTrace works. ~ Partial https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-strengths-weaknesses/ Discusses the "TCN coalition", minimal about TCN protocol itself. ✘ No https://thecurrencyanalytics.com/13404/zcash-privacy-preserving-contact-tracing-app-on-blockchain-the-temporary-contact-number-tcn-coalition/ Blog One line about TCN protocol. ✘ No https://github.com/TCNCoalition/TCN ~ ✘ No https://pact.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-PACT-protocol-specification-ver-0.1.pdf ~ Not mentioned ✘ No https://www.theinternetofthings.eu/aisshwarya-tiwar-covid-19-zcash-zec-and-tcn-developing-privacy-preserving-contact-tracing-app ~ Based entirely on source 25 ✘ No https://btcmanager.com/covid-19-zcash-zec-tcn-privacy-preserving-contact-tracing-app/ ~ ✘ No https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340772290 Research aggregator ✘ No Lorenz Cuno Klopfenstein, Saverio Delpriori, Gian Marco Di Francesco, Riccardo Maldini, Brendan Dominic Paolini, Alessandro Bogliolo (2020). Digital Ariadne: Citizen Empowerment for Epidemic Control. arXiv:2004.07717. Bibcode:2020arXiv200407717C. ~ Journal article - Not published. ? Unable to access. Appears not. ✘ No https://techxplore.com/news/2020-04-stanford-privacy-focused-coronavirus-app.html ~ ~ Paragraph as part of wider explanation on how the app works. ~ Partial http://www.news.gatech.edu/2020/04/14/will-smartphones-help-us-keep-covid-19-under-control ~ Blog / press release One line explanation of temporary contact number. ✘ No https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-trace-together-mobile-app-contact-tracing-coronavirus-12560616 Two line explanation of temporary contact number. ✘ No https://www.insideprivacy.com/covid-19/covid-19-apps-and-websites-the-pan-european-privacy-preserving-proximity-tracing-initiative-and-guidance-by-supervisory-authorities/ Not mentioned. ✘ No https://www.zfnd.org/blog/private-contact-tracing-protocols-compared/ Blog ~ Appears to cover how data transfer and privacy protocols work technically. ✘ No https://thecurrencyanalytics.com/13404/zcash-privacy-preserving-contact-tracing-app-on-blockchain-the-temporary-contact-number-tcn-coalition/ See Source 21 ? Unknown https://www.cryptopolitan.com/contact-tracing-app-blockchain-based-zcash/ Is covered. Not significantly. ✘ No https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22834959 ~ Forum ✘ No https://covid-watch.org/press_releases/google_apple_press_release ✘ No https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2020/04/12/contact-tracing-in-the-real-world/ Blog ✘ No https://www.ledgerinsights.com/eu-parliament-covid-19-contact-tracing-decentralized/ Blog ✘ No https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OQg2dxPu-x-RZzETlpV3lFa259Nrpk1J/view?usp=embed_facebook ~ Joint letter ✘ No https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2020/4/9/tcn-contact-tracing/ Personal blog ~ Technical explanation of how differing TCN protocols work. ✘ No https://ncase.me/contact-tracing/ Webcomic explanation of how contact tracing works. ✘ No https://medium.com/@frankvolkel/tracetogether-under-the-hood-7d5e509aeb5d ~ ✘ No https://github.com/TCNCoalition/TCN/blob/main/src/keys.rs ~ ✘ No https://docs.rs/nom/2.2.1/nom/fn.le_u16.html Code ✘ No https://github.com/TCNCoalition/tcn-client-android/blob/develop/tcn-client-android/src/main/java/org/tcncoalition/tcnclient/TcnKeys.kt ~ ✘ No https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSBeta/comments/fcww2x/feature_ios_134_beta_enables_ble_long_range/ ~ Reddit ✘ No https://tcn-coalition.org/ ✘ No https://dcta-datarights.com/ ✘ No https://www.miragenews.com/will-smartphones-help-us-keep-covid-19-under-control/,%20https://www.miragenews.com/will-smartphones-help-us-keep-covid-19-under-control ? 404 Error ? ? ? Unknown https://github.com/Co-Epi/app-android ~ ✘ No https://www.covid-watch.org/ ✘ No This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}. In short, my view is that (based on the current sourcing) there is insufficient coverage in reliable sources which are independent of the subject to presume that the subject of this article is suitable for a standalone article. Given this, I suggest there are a number of options available: Provide additional sources which go toward supporting significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Merge the content of this article into another, broader article which meets the threshold of notability. Nominate the article for deletion. I will leave it to you to decide what to do next. I hope that this has been helpful. --Jack Frost (talk) 01:23, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Please include the Covid Watch contributions as they appear on the digital contact tracing page: Covid Watch was the first[22] organization to develop[23] and open source[24][25] an anonymous Bluetooth digital contact tracing protocol, publishing their white paper on the subject on 20 March 2020.[26] The group was founded as a research collaboration between Stanford University and the University of Waterloo.[27][28][29] The protocol they developed, the CEN Protocol, later named the TCN Protocol, was first released on 17 March 2020.[30][31][32] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinarwhite (talk • contribs) 18:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC) References Neutrality I wrote the majority of this article and have no affiliation with the subject. I've written similar articles for competing protocols such as BlueTrace, Decentralized Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing and Pan-European Privacy-Preserving Proximity Tracing, with which I also have no affiliation. @ViperSnake151 could you please elaborate why you are disputing the neutrality of this article Bravetheif (talk) 14:27, 27 June 2020 (UTC) I don't believe it's neutral either, but personally I'd rather prioritize the notability issue first. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 19:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC)