Talk:Symbiotic binary

Requested move 16 January 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: (closed by page mover) The page was moved. Some redirects were retargeted too as stated in the table below. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:37, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Symbiotic star → Symbiotic binary – Symbiotic "stars" are always binaries and usually referred to as such. Symbiotic binary is currently a redirect to a Symbiotic nova, a specific and unusual type of symbiotic binary. Lithopsian (talk) 21:33, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:38, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Lithopsian and Emir of Wikipedia: Queried move request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Lithopsian: What do you propose happens to Symbiotic nova, as it is not mentioned in Symbiotic star? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not many links to Symbiotic binary so that issue can be easily resolved if a move occurs. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Symbiotic nova should probably remain as a separate article. It is barely more than a stub at the moment, but it is "a thing" and I don't feel any great need to merge it. I think the creator of that article thought that the term applied to essentially all symbiotic variable stars which isn't the case. It should of course be mentioned in Symbiotic star/binary, as well as at Cataclysmic variable star which is the parent class for the symbiotic variables as well as others. I don't think the existing articles present the relationships between the different types of cataclysmic variables, and especially the symbiotic systems, very well. Lithopsian (talk) 11:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel there is no need to merge it then that is fine. My main reason for concern for was that this was not a simple pageswap, as you wanted as redirect to be re-targeted before swapping and I didn't feel comfortable changing the links for a topic I don't know much about. Could you please confirm that all the wikilinks here (for the title "Symbiotic binary") would apply to the article currently here at "Symbiotic star" and not the at "Symbiotic nova". There is something called Symbiotic novae star, should that be redirected to the article here or Symbiotic nova? Also where should Symbiotic variable and Symbiotic variable star redirect to after the move. Sorry for having to ask all the questions and not just doing the move at RM/TR, but with moves like this we need to make sure that the links and redirects all point towards the intended target. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I should probably have done some tidying before I started. It doesn't help that there is a piece of the puzzle that seems to be completely missing: an article about the symbiotic variable star class (prototype Z Andromedae), which seems like it is a catch-all but is actually distinct from the symbiotic novae and sometimes called classical symbiotics or just Z Andromedae variables. There are currently four redirects to Symbiotic nova, here's how I think they should be retargeted:

Symbiotic binary: move Symbiotic star over this
Symbiotic novae star => Symbiotic nova (no change)
Symbiotic variable => Symbiotic binary (for now, but will get its own article)
Symbiotic variable star => Symbiotic binary (for now, but get its own article)

There's lots more to be done, for example novae describes symbiotic novae without using that name or linking to the article, and cataclysmic variable star describes symbiotic stars but doesn't mention the word symbiotic and doesn't link to symbiotic nova or symbiotic star. Template:Variable star topics links symbiotic star and Z Andromedae but not symbiotic nova. Lithopsian (talk) 13:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All this sounds reasonable to me, hence support Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Lithopsian: I have created a table below of proposed action of the pages that have been mention above could you please fill in the ones that say example? This is going to be left open for the standard 7 days to see if anyone else has anything to comment, but if nobody opposes then we can get to work on doing this. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Table[edit]

Current page	Action	Desired
Symbiotic binary	Re-target	from Symbiotic nova to Symbiotic star
Symbiotic star	Page Swap	Symbiotic binary
Symbiotic novae star	Nothing	Symbiotic nova
Symbiotic variable	Redirect with possibility	Symbiotic binary
Symbiotic variable star	Redirect with possibility	Symbiotic binary
Wikilinks	[1]	Checked: they are (will be) correct

I've removed three articles and one template from the table. These require edits, which I've begun, but independent of this move request. At worst, if the move is rejected, then there are some wikilinks to the symbiotic binary redirect that will have to be piped to symbiotic star, but these are already listed in the table as "Wikilinks". For example, I've already added Symbiotic nova to Template:Variable star topics and this is correct whatever happens here. Lithopsian (talk) 21:17, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a problem. I'll just do everything in the table if the move gets consensus. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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