Talk:Suphan Buri

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Requested move 6 May 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 12:54, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suphanburi → Suphan Buri – According to the standard as published in the Thai govt gazette (page 46), which is also upheld by GeoNames, Britannica, Suphan Buri National Museum, etc.; and this would be in line with the title of the article of the province, Suphan Buri Province, to which the town in the present article belongs. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC) iudexvivorum (talk) 04:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Widely accepted name: Britannica, Merriam-Webster's Geographical Dictionary, and the Board on Geographic Names' GEOnet Names Server are valid criteria to determine the "widely accepted name", and they all use the separate spelling. Moreover, it is the spelling used on Thai road signs: [1]. --RJFF (talk) 19:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Capital[edit]

@Seligne and Potapt:: In Thai Wikipedia, we discussed whether Suphan Buri is the capital of Suphan Buri Province or not. Potapt said that there is no law defining "capital" explicitly (except Bangkok, the capital city of Thailand). Moreover, the city hall of Suphan Buri Province was moved from Suphan Buri to Sanamchai (http://www.sanamchai.go.th/) for a while, so he thought that "Suphan Buri remains the capital" is inaccurate. --Nullzero (talk) 14:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think that you meant "provincial HQ" rather than "city hall", but I take your point. Does this mean that the seat of Rayong's provincial government was moved to Map Ta Phut from Rayong? (one of the other changes Potapt made). I can find no info to that effect. I yield to Potapt's superior knowledge and will conform with whatever approach he wants to take. Seligne (talk) 14:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There never exist published announcements on capital changes, because the concept of provincial capital has never been in Thai official use to begin with. (Or if this statement were not true, someone enlighten me with the evidences please.) Since some of those "capitals" were moved out of their original core areas more than ten years ago, it is unlikely to find the references of them in the Internet nowadays. I think it is quite obvious at least to the local people where the provincial hall of their province is currently located. However, I understand that English Wikipedia requires citations as well, so I will leave the decision to keep or reverse those edits of mine to the frequent users here.

That being said, according to the definitions of English dictionaries, a capital is the seat of government or administrative center, not the economic center nor the most-populated place, unless otherwise stated. I have seen the term "capital" applied to the articles about Thai provinces on English Wikipedia for a long time. While I disagreed with that choice of word, I just refrained from interfering in it because I was unfamiliar with this place and always considered the term something like a loose translation or analogy. However, recently this concept has been brought back to Thai Wikipedia, a thing to which I am opposed, because I find it illogical to give priority to the secondary sources instead of the primary ones. Therefore, I decided to make those changes here too for the sake of accuracy and consistency. I am sorry if my first actions were not clear.

P.S. Rayong Provincial Hall/HQ is now located in the municipal area of Map Ta Phut, as stated in this document's map, for example. --Potapt (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingsly, there are some official announcements for the change of district office locations, the latest on from 1992 [2], but most from the 1950s and 60s [3]. And by far not all such moves where announced. andy (talk) 14:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't we cease using the word "capital" and say something to effect that "the provincial government is located in Map Ta Phut" (or wherever) or "the seat of government is located..." or some variant. This gets around the issue of using a term perhaps ill-suited to Thailand. Seligne (talk) 19:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that, but I have no idea on which word or phrase would be more appropriate and don't want to start this topic myself, because I may not speak English well enough to be able to defend the argument and to clean up all the related articles. --Potapt (talk) 21:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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