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Unofficially it has been noted that much of the order's ceremonies are derived from that of the Mason's which shares a Gnostic tradition with the Bavarian Illuminati. Furthermore that the Order was founded in the late 1840's in New York, the first stop off point of European intellectuals fleeing the old world, who knows what influence European exiles of the troubles of 1830 and 1848 may have had on the founders of the Alpha chapter at New York University. That chapter transferred over to Columbia a short while later.

Tom Harrison Talk 22:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the author 71.235.99.93's February 22, 2007 edit that said the Yale St. A's chapter cut ties to the national organization. Although this purported fact was contained in a March 2006 Yale Daily News article (http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/17166 ), the reporter made this assertion erroneously. The Yale chapter president quoted in the article is not attributed to the assertion. Instead, it may be an inference of the Daily News reporter that the Yale chapter had been cut off because its not listed on the St. A's national website. But a closer reading of the national website will indicates the organization "our undergrad. chapters include the following..." rather thn stating that its web listing is complete. Actual disassociation of Yale's chapter from a national chapter is a big deal; had this truly occurred, it would be documented elsewhere more credibly than in an undergraduate newspaper. In changing the text, I also expanded on the discussion of the co-education issues because it may be a point of interest. If the unregistered author 71.235.99.93 would like to inquire further, that would be fine, but please identify or register, so we can see each others contribs. and affirm our respective credibility as contributors. This is meant collegially, not at all unfriendly - peace out. Feb 23, 07 BoolaBoola2

Never, scoundrel! Author 71.235.99.93 30 March 2007

I have found reference to Masons, but no sources that are usable. However, in the U Penn yearbook illustration from the 1870s, the items illustrated are Masonic--the skull, sword, key, triangle. Note the sword and key are cross under the skull, also symbolic to Masons.Rublamb (talk) 02:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Masonry's trove of symbolism is vast. Virtually all symbols can be traced into or through the Craft, or one of its associated "appendant" bodies. This is not to say that these symbols came from the Masons, but that most were adopted in some form, either accepting an earlier metaphoric meaning or creating a new one. Many symbols have multiple meanings today. As to the Craft, we don't know how old Masonry is; certainly 500 years, and likely 1,000, based on the Regis poem and old records and carved symbols. Further back than that and it gets somewhat murky. Here in America, Masonic membership reached one of two zenith points about the time of formation of the early fraternities. Apparently most of the national fraternities had at one early member tapped to write the ritual who was a Mason, or who at least had access to draw from those sources. A past Grand Historian at Sigma Chi (not my fraternity) had explained this to me while I was an undergrad a few decades ago. He claimed that all but Kappa Sig had some Masonic trappings, according to a study someone had done as a literary historian or grad student. If someone wants to track this further, the study occurred in the 1970s, no later than 1985, perhaps. The ΣΧ historian, now deceased, was Doug Carlson, who later served as their national leader.
By the way, in Masonic lore, the skull and crossbones are a symbol of mortality, a reminder that our time on Earth is short. They aren't intended to be spooky. Jax MN (talk) 06:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Old Delta house “no longer extant”?

Does anyone have a source for “University of Pennsylvania Chapter 1889-1908, no longer extant”? I went looking for, and found, this building in 1993; it was for sale, and a real estate sign obscured the carved seal on the side of the building. I could dig up photographs, but if someone knows that it's been destroyed since then, a citation would be welcome. —crism 09:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC) (also ΔΨ Κ 1991)

Drove past it a few weeks ago: building still looks much like [1]. No signs, so prolly condos or other non-business use? Seal still present. DMacks 15:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

The whole article is just packed full of information. It could easily become a good article, but there are far too many instances of over-information such as the architects and the chapters area. I would gladly work with someone to cleanup the article, but I'm a Pike, not a member of St. Anthony Hall and therefore I do not know what should stay, what should go, and what needs to be re-arranged. Jmlk17 20:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Why not simply put this up for peer review or for GA nomination and therefore get outside opinions? —ScouterSig 01:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I just may have to do that :). Got a few other projects to get done before that, but good idea! Jmlk17 01:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and greetings to Jmlk and Scoutersig. (note to latter, I also am an Eagle/Vigil,Heart of America Council. greetings!) I appreciate your involvement and thought your comments deserved my perspective in response. I'm respons. for much of the data posted for St. Anthony's. I agree there's over-information, but believe a defining characteristic of the organization is the prominence of its architects -- arguably incomparable to most other college fraternities. In that vein, I did exclude architecture data for those chapters where the architect was not historically notable. The data on chapters was posted in order to provide fullest historicity for the fraternity history enthusiasts, but could be shortened. Since St. A's is also a secret society, and I've some familiarity with Yale's secret societies, the format emulates the architectural sections for Skull & Bones, Berzelius, Wolf's Head, Scroll & Key, the Elizabethan Club, and similar organizations, also notable for their architects. Have a good summer and I look forward to corerspnding further and your good editing helps. peace out. BoolaBoola2 June 12 2007

What does this mean: "The University of Pennsylvania and the University of Virginia chapters remain all-male by choice, while the University of Mississippi chapter is all-male due to local law." Local law? What does that mean? The state of Mississippi segregates clubs by sex and put it on the books? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.145.86 (talk) 02:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Work in Progress

I'm working on this page, trying to get the citation format correct and comprehensive. Please don't freak out and start reverting changes while the work is in progress -- it's a big job.Apollo (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I accidentally left the first (and most important) paragraphs omitted when I was done working (for the time being). Feel free to restore anything I've omitted -- my remark was intended only to stop a reversion, thus eliminating the work I was doing (and hopefully will return to). Apollo (talk) 13:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks Apollo, grateful for your hard work and effort, and thanks for restoring the first paras while you take a breather. I do hope to see you here again soon, to talk via the AYA or this page etc. BoolaBoola2 (talk)

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 15:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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Improved to Good Article status by Rublamb (talk). Self-nominated at 06:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/St. Anthony Hall; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Improved to GA status on 5 August. Long enough, nominated in time. No identified issues with images. Copyvio checks outs. Replaced the sourcing in the nom with the link to Rolling Stone. The other sources are travel web sites. Added "secret society" in the hook for readability and to parallel the rest of the sentence structure. Longhornsg (talk) 15:19, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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