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painting planets purple?

I deleted the part about "You have to paint your planet purple in order to get your UFO", We already know that to finish the civ. phase, you have to conquer the planet. I'm 99% sure that when the previewer said that, he meant that he had to conquer all the other cities. (if his "national color" was purple, obviously he had to paint all the other cities purple(on the minimap ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.147.100.241 (talk) 20:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

And this is why you ignore resellers

Gamasutra reported on January 29, 2008 that Spore might be delayed til the Fall or Winter of 2008.[1] JAF1970 (talk) 00:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite understand, are we to ignore Gamasutra, or what? I don't quite understand what you mean by resellers. Kiminatheguardian (talk) 22:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

No, we're to ignore Amazon.com, GameStop or whatever resellers post as the release date. JAF1970 (talk) 01:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
JAF was making the point that Amazon has been saying for ages that Spore is coming out March 3rd, and now Gamasutra says that it's delayed... again... so people who have been adding the "release" date are wrong. --Samtheboy (t/c) 07:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Not that it's delayed, only that it's possibly delayed. Kiminatheguardian (talk) 21:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
With EA saying, "Well, it should come out before the holidays"... it's delayed. JAF1970 (talk) 16:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Isn't the Third of March before the holidays (Which holidays?)? Joeking16 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not March 3rd, shut up about it. When they say the holidays they usually mean Christmas...Kiminatheguardian (talk) 18:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Technically, it's not delayed because there never was a release date to begin with.--Scorp Stanton (talk) 01:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Technically, it is since EA first said sometime in Spring 2008 and Will Wright said 6 months from October 2007. JAF1970 (talk) 03:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

So, does this mean that we can add TBA 2008 into the info box? we've got this cite - [2] that seems to have been accepted on 'development of spore' 3rdTriangle 16:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I think EA just proved why you want for official announcements than reseller guessing. JAF1970 (talk) 17:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the argument. The game is postponed because the company building it postponed, not the resellers. You can't blame the groccery store if the milk man never showed up.
If you take the reseller's word on things, then I guess you're deadset on being disappointed when they're wrong. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.156.10 (talk) 07:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Biota Questions

I'm not up to speed with the level of discussion or information associated with Spore. I have just published a series of questions put to Will Wright at NASA Ames (January 26-27, 2008);

http://www.biota.org/podcast/biota_wright_rucker.mp3

Could one of the Spore scholars please review this audio, and if there is any new information please feel free to use the audio with applicable references. Many thanks. --Barbalet (talk) 16:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll get on it. JAF1970 (talk) 18:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing in it not already in the article. ie. We already know the game never allows the player to be the highest creature on the food chain during the Creature phase, etc, etc. JAF1970 (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

So the budget to-date, the number of developers and the lack of a defined release date from Will Wright's perspective isn't new? Franchising model speculation, Spore 2 etc? --Barbalet (talk) 20:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

All that stuff would go into Development of Spore, not here. Especially budget, development Spore 2, etc. This article is about the game itself, not the development behind it. JAF1970 (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll post the same again there. Thanks for your time/assistance. --Barbalet (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Platforms

Spore has been confirmed for release on the Nintendo Wii as of January 2008. Source: Nintendo Power (magazine), January 2008/V224 --Cdw123321 (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Um, no. The Wii has never been confirmed. Ever. Check Development of Spore"


Nintendo Power is parroting that interview, and it is not a fact. Until EA says it's coming to the Wii, it's not official. Spore has been "confirmed" by Wright for the 360, PS3, PSP, etc in other interviews. They're not official either. Do you know how another platform is "confirmed"? When EA announced it, as it did the Mac OS X version at a trade show, running on Macs. There's NO DEVELOPMENT MANPOWER towards other systems. JAF1970 (talk) 22:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Wii was confirmed, not in an "off-the-cuff" manner, nor just "expressing a desire."

We're doing Spore on the Wii, and we did MySims. It takes signifcant re-thinking to work out how you're going to do it.[1]

He flat-out says that they are currently making Spore for the Wii. He is not just saying that he wants to do it or plans on doing it. Game information taken from interviews and other sources than official publisher announcements is put into articles regularly with no problem. --Crushed (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
He also "flat out" stated Spore would come out Spring 2008, too. Where's the press release for the Wii version? (rolling eyes) There was a more solid basis for including the Wii in Civ Rev. JAF1970 (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, not only does today's interview with Will Wright talk about the Wii version, it takes it for granted that it was announced quite some time ago. KiTA (talk) 20:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

See gamefaqs.Brandonrc2 (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Gamefaqs is a site made by players, not EA or Will Wright, so it doesn't matter what it says! --Samtheboy (t/c) 23:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to be the blunt person but why are stupid people allowed here?Kiminatheguardian (talk) 19:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is the same way. Made by users, not the actual people, so it doesn't matter! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.251.246 (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It does matter, Chinese whispers. It doesn't matter that Wikipedia is also freely editable as long as the sites the people here get their information from are not also freely editable. The whole point is that the information here can be cited to verifiable sources. That excludes other freely editable sites because to have any merit they, too, would have to point to verifiable sources. In the end why point to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation when you can point directly to the source. In this case there is only one source and that source has not made an official announcement. Any date on any other site is speculation. Speculation is not verifiable. That's why it matters! -- Greyed (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

What about this link?[2] Firebertt (talk) 02:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

This one is better. The one you have is Will Wright saying it which, as JAF1970 contends, is not enough since he does not control EA. However the linked article from that one has Gamespot quoting EA officals as saying, "[With] Spore, we will be not only focusing on the PC and online; we are launching this innovative experience on the NDS." I'd take it but that is up to JAF1970 as it really is his bailiwick and I'm an interloper. -- Greyed (talk) 09:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to add that there is a very subtle distinction here. After the quoted passage Gamespot says the game will be released before the end of EA's fiscal quarter, March 31st. Note that they are saying it, not EA. That portion I'd be wary about. -- Greyed (talk) 09:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Please notice on the Spore official release date press release: Spore will be available for the PC, Macintosh, Nintendo DS™, and mobile phones.

Until EA announces the Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, PSP, etc versions - those are the OFFICIAL PLATFORMS. JAF1970 (talk) 17:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What about this article?[3] 74.94.99.17 (talk) 21:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What about it? GameSpot said that Wright was talking "off the cuff". (Please read Development of Spore.) Had the discussion been about, say, the Xbox 360, and asked "Is Spore coming out for it?", he'd have said the exact same thing. He's already said he wants, note the word "wants" to bring it to every platform. The Wii is one of them. But until EA says so, it's not coming. Look at Civilization Revolution, for example. Meier WANTS to bring it to every console, but he can't. Why? No manpower. EA's press release specifically lists FOUR platforms confirmed: PC, Mac, DS, mobile. That's it.
EA is The Word of God in this matter. Wright can say anything he likes, but The Golden Rule applies: EA has the gold, makes the rules. JAF1970 (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
JAF1970, you seem to be ignoring the fact that yes, the EA press release explicitly states that only the PC, DS, Mac and Mobile versions will be released this September, but it didn't deny the existence of the Wii version at all. It will simply be released at a later date, which is yet to be announced. Sillygostly (talk) 00:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
(laugh) It doesn't deny the existance of a Commodore 64, Atari 2600, and ColecoVision version either. Your point? JAF1970 (talk) 00:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I think some of you need English lessons:

Now, what does "confirmed" mean and what does "officially announced" mean? Go to Development of Spore for mention of the Wii. Until EA announces the Wii version as it did the Mac OS X version, it's just speculation, on par with Wright stating he wanted it to come out on all platforms, including the Xbox 360, PS3, PSP, etc, etc. JAF1970 (talk) 00:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Wright states he wants to bring it to the Xbox 360, Wii and PS3, but guess what? None of those systems are confirmed nor will they be used in the Spore article, which is for confirmed facts only. Until EA says so, it's not being posted. JAF1970 (talk) 00:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?? Where?!

There's no vandalism that I can see in the recent history of this article; so why is this page protected? I'd like a direct link to the act in question. Panzer V Panther (talk) 03:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

There's no vandalism NOW. And people kept ignoring the notes on editing the article. JAF1970 (talk) 04:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
There as a resonable amount of anon vandalism before the article was semiprotected. Have you looked far back enough in history? The article was protected on 12th Jan UTC [4]. Clearly there would be non anon vandalism since then since it has been semiprotected since then so it's a bit pointless to say there's been no anon vandalism since then... Nil Einne (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

SPORE RELEASE DATE: September 7, 2008

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Spore official release date press release JAF1970 (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

He is right, SEP 7th YES! 67.173.245.215 (talk) 17:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Will! Sweeces (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Remember, not a forum. Go cheer at a Spore fansite, Joystiq, or the usenet. :p JAF1970 (talk) 18:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
*cheer* *cheer* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.6.67 (talk) 18:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks correct to me. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/technology/reuters-game.html?ref=technology —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ablattel (talk • contribs) 05:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

schouldn't somebody edit the official release date to the article...? i think the official hp giving an article with the release date is source enough to be trusworthy.would've doneit myself but the artilce is currently locked :) cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.22.181 (talk) 17:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It's there. Do you not see it? Try refreshing your browser. --Yamla (talk) 17:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Darwin Day

I added a bit of trivia to the release date section regarding Darwin Day. This may or may not belong in the article. Josh McCartt (talk) 20:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Forgot to quote the text I added. "Coincidentally, the announcement of the release date coincided with Darwin Day, a day celebrating the birth of the man credited with discovering evolution, Charles Darwin." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psxer2600 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing Community Manager Introduction?

I have two qualms about someone removing a modification I made to the Spore Entry.

a) Listing a Community Manager Welcome to Fansites and the Community. That seems like a total fit for this as it's a communique from Maxis themselves yet we're choosing to remove it.

b) on the grounds its a fansite, we might as well remove sporewiki.com. That's a fansite.

ManagerJosh (talk) 22:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

There was already a discussion on the inclusion of Sporewiki, and everyone agreed that any fansites that are to be added should be discussed first.
Regardless, on the topic of the link: Clearly there's a bit of a conflict of interest as you seem to represent that fansite. The link is not particularly useful to readers of this article, and it doesn't actually link to an EA website but rather to a fairly minor forum. See Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided, #4, #1, #11. Of course there can be reasonable exceptions to these rules, but I don't know how that links fits in there. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Under the circumstances, I'd normally would agree. However the content of that greeting came in the form of an email. The purpose of posting such a link was not to promote a fansite, but to promote that EA has assigned a permanent community manager to the Spore Community and that there is representation. --ManagerJosh (talk) 02:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop posting the Wii, Part 42

STOP IT. Until EA says so, it's just Wright saying what he's been saying about every. single. console. on. the. face. of. the. Earth. Wright expressed the desire to release the game on other platforms, such as seventh generation consoles, the PlayStation Portable and the Apple Macintosh.[38] In a GameSpy interview, Wright stated, "Well, actually we are going to go on all platforms, but we will come out on PC first. We will even come out on cell phones and stuff."[39]

Let's read the official press release, shall we? Where is the Wii mentioned? JAF1970 (talk) 17:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Why? No one is stating in the article that it has been officially announced by EA - just that it has been mentioned to be in development by Will Wright himself. Thus there is absolutely no reason why people should keep removing it (as long as it is written in that manner). -Zomic13 (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Updated screenshots

Uploaded some up-to-date screenshots without watermarks. JAF1970 (talk) 18:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit warring over rating

To avoid having to fully protect the article, I was wondering if we could reach a compromise on rating. One version that is being warred over is the one that states the rating as "RP"; note that RP just means rating pending, and is not actually a rating. See the ESRB ratings guide. Any thoughts? Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 01:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the RP thing was my doing. The actual edit war is over whether or not a Wii version is announced or in the works, or some such. I've conceded the point regarding RP. xenocidic (talk) 01:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not only about that. User:Sillygostly keeps attempting to add content contrary to the set rules of the page - he constantly flaunts the notes, when the article clearly states has been confirmed and discussed but not officially confirmed, which is for Development of Spore.
And furthermore, he's been beligerent regarding RP, which is most definitely an ESRB rating - you'll see it on all Spore pages at gaming sites when ESRB Rating is listed. This is not the first time this user has presented a problem.
Heck, on his own page he calls himself a crossdressing Muslim with sunken chest from Australia. Honestly, he seems like a troll, frankly, even spamming my Usertalk page with beligerence. He doesn't want to accept what the people who have worked long and hard on this page have stipulated, and is being contrary. JAF1970 (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
How dare you judge me. Yes, I am a Muslim. And yes, I have a sunken chest. It's a congenital deformity. And the "cross dresser" userbox was purely tongue-in-cheek. Sillygostly (talk) 01:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Xenocidic: 1UP's Spore page has it rated RP by the ESRB. PERIOD. They're not the only site, by the way. JAF1970 (talk) 01:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, if it's coming out on all platforms, according to Wright, you can see why we can't single out the Wii version, because he's already stated it's coming out on the 360, PS3, etc, etc. That's why there's Development of Spore. It discusses all the platforms it may or will come out for. THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT HAVE SPECULATION. It's about the facts and the game itself. I'm tired of reiterating this for the past few months. There's no announced Wii version. Period. If you include the Wii, then you have to include every other console that Wright has said it may come out for, or wants to come out for.

The fact is this - and this is first hand knowledge - there's no manpower currently devoted to the Wii or any other console system other than the DS and mobile. JAF1970 (talk) 01:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

JAF1970: Please see WP:V. While you may have first hand knowledge, it needs to be verifiable by reliable sources, otherwise I'd have first hand knowledge that the moon was cheese. Also, That 1up review doesn't rate it RP; it just states that the rating is pending. For example, an RP game could not ship with a rating of RP, as RP isn't a rating. Hope that makes sense. At least, that's what I think. Also, if Sillygostly can provide reliable evidence of a Wii version being considered then it stays. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 01:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

The official site has the RP badge at the bottom of the site. What more do you need? (laugh) JAF1970 (talk) 01:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT A WII VERSION IS BEING DEVELOPED. Otherwise, it's just speculation and in Development of Spore. If you include the Wii, then you have to include the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and the PlayStation Portable because Wright said he wanted to make versions for those as well, months before. JAF1970 (talk) 01:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I have to go to work now. I wish to discuss this when I return. JAF1970 (talk) 01:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Uh, JAF1970... what do you mean? Will Wright himself has stated that there is a Wii version in development. Can I safely say this dispute is settled? Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 02:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • In response to the topic, I believe the rating area of the infobox is intended to display only the finalized ratings of a game. RP does not supply such details as the game's content and suggested audience as a true rating like E+10 or M does, for example. It is just a placeholder, and I see no point for a placeholder in an article when none was ever needed to begin with. Unless having RP in the infobox is somehow vital to the article's integrity, then leave the rating area blank until a finalized rating is released.  Comandante  Talk  02:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that it needs to say that "Will Wright has stated that a Wii version of the game is in development, however EA have not confirmed this." In all honesty, Will Wright said this game was going to be out last year, but it wasn't, so for almost 100% statements, we need to wait for EA to talk about this. --Samtheboy (t/c) 06:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Technically, the DS and mobile versions weren't officially announced by EA until the press release was issued a few days ago, yet many editors have accepted their existence as fact long before that. Revealing release dates in advance will always be problematic as video games (particularly of this capacity) are likely to be delayed. Judging by the sources that I've seen, I believe that a Wii version is in production, however there are no sources to suggest a possible release date (as it evidently won't be released this September alongside the PC/Mac/DS/Mobile versions). Sillygostly (talk) 08:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Technically, you're wrong. EA VP specifically said that tere would be a mobile and DS version that would come out on the same day as the PC version - check Development of Spore. He also said that they would only focus on one phase (the creature phase).
Development of Spore is for the history of the development, including what Wright said about the consoles he'd like to see it on (360, PS3, Wii, Macs, etc.) The Spore page is for verified, officially announced information. Please look at what the page says. If you add Wii, then you WILL have to add the 360, PS3 and PSP, since Wright in an interview months before stated he'd like to see it come out on those systems too. Check the links at Development of Spore. JAF1970 (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I think you presume too much. If a Wii version is in development, how is that related to other console versions at all? None of the evidence about the Wii version mentions a 360, PS3, or PSP version as far as I can see. Those versions actually are speculation at this point, with no evidence to back them up like the Wii version has. Just because Wright said that he would "like to see it come out on those systems too" does not mean that those versions are a certainty; for all we know, the Wii may be the only console that gets its own version (if that version is made). We need separate proof of the other versions before they are added into the article, if at all.  Comandante  Talk  20:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa. They have as much weight as Wright saying he wants to make for the 360, PS3, etc. Also, this same EA prez said that Spore woud be coming out in Spring 2008 and that Civilization Revolution was going to be released for the Wii. They actually announced the Wii version but dropped it because of a belated development. No EA press release, just speculation. I mean, the EA prez hasn't even given a vague date on when other versions would be out. If it isn't here, it's idle speculation, even by the EA prez. (Again, I'd point to the "release date" of Spring 2008 as evidence that you're dealing with a corporate here. You have a bunch of people commiserating.)
The MoP has aready discussed - CLEARLY in the notes - that unless there's an official press release from EA and Maxis, it goes to Development of Spore. That's what it's there for.
(What I find amusing is that the RP badge is smack dab on the official site, but somehow, it's less proof than a corporate bigwig making speculation. I'm still waiting for AOL functionality with the PS2 - the Sony prez said it was going to happen, too. (laugh)) JAF1970 (talk) 20:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

If that was a response to my comment, I'm afraid I fail to see how. I meant that if the Wii version is ever added to the article, then that would not be grounds to add in a 360, PS3, or PSP version as well. You are no authority on what Will Wright and EA will actually do for the game.  Comandante  Talk  21:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

And you do? No press release, it's for Development of Spore. That article is there for a reason. JAF1970 (talk) 21:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
You appear confused; I will try to clarify. I am also no authority, and am not asserting that the Wii version should be added into the article. I am merely trying to state that you should not make blind assumptions based on shaky evidence. If there is a Wii version, that is no reason to also add in other console versions unless accompanied by reliable evidence. The Wii version is certainly not confirmed yet, but any proof of that version does not equate to proof of other console versions.  Comandante  Talk  21:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
This has been the rule of the page since the article was trimmed and streamlined.
  • Only official, press releases for release dates and platform announcements
  • All else is for Development of Spore, where the history of release date changes and platforms go.
We all know that September 5/7, 2008 could change, too. However, what makes it different is that EA/Maxis issued a press release. It wasn't EA financial reports stating that Spore would come out in Spring 2008 - as well as Wright himself saying Spring 2008! EA bigwigs and Wright said Spring 2008, and that didn't exactly work out. JAF1970 (talk) 21:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. I was making a hypothetical comment about the game in response to your comment: "If you add Wii, then you WILL have to add the 360, PS3 and PSP, since Wright in an interview months before stated he'd like to see it come out on those systems too.". I apologize if I may have blown the matter out of proportion, but I was just arguing that each version would need official proof to be added in the article. Your comment above made me think that you regarded all versions as being related in terms of development. Since I now recognize that this was not the case, this issue is resolved.  Comandante  Talk  21:36, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Why not? Wright stated explicitly that those systems would get Spore, too. His word is about as good as the EA prez's. (laugh) Of course, they both said, as before, Spore would come out in Spring 2008. Many a slip between cup and lip. JAF1970 (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, he didn't. The EA president has mentioned that a Wii version is in development, however any information on PS3/Xbox360/PSP versions is based purely on speculation as neither Will Wright nor the EA President have explicitly mentioned any of those three consoles. Sillygostly (talk) 02:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

So, yeah, I like the RP thing, I think it should stay. As far as the Wii thing, I don't know how these two unrelated issues (seem unrelated to me atleast) got intertwined. I think we should just chill until EA makes offical announcements before getting into a tissy about whether it'll be out for the Wii or made into a board game, or a collectable card game, or a new saturday morning cartoon. :-p We'll know stuff when they tell us. Nanobri (talk) 04:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

DS Version

Can we add a section about the DS version? There's some info about it on this site. [5] NinjaCow (talk) 09:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Problem is, it's not the same game as Spore will be. It's called Spore CREATURES and only does the creature phase. JAF1970 (talk) 14:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop adding the Wii

There is Development of Spore for all mention of non-confirmed platforms. this is what happens if you add the Wii:

The Spore article, once again, is for confirmed data, not will be and may be stuff. All unconfirmed discussion going to Development of Spore.\, where it already states, " As for the Wii, Wright also said that it offers a lot of creative opportunities so the Wii may receive a different game.[42] On October 26, 2007, Wright expressed a desire to develop for the Wii because the console was his "favorite platform" (though he did not elaborate any plans for a Wii version), in what was called an "off-the-cuff" statement, and as of February 14, 2008, no official announcement from Electronic Arts has been forthcoming.[43]".

If it's not here, it's not official.

An example: EA said Q1 2009 (Spring 2008) was their target for release. How'd that work out? Until EA sent out an OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE, the release date for Spore here was TBA. JAF1970 (talk) 20:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be official. If Will Wright has said he's working on a Wii version then that can be mentioned, as he's the creator of the game. If it turns out that the Wii version failed, we'll make that clear. It isn't like you've got one chance to get this right, after all. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 04:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
This February 12, 2008 Newsweek interview[6] with Will Wright discusses the development of the Wii version. Will Wright has clearly mentioned that a Wii version is in development. - Zomic13 (talk) 04:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Civilization Revolution was "in development" too. What happened to the Wii version? Until there's a press release, it's not official. You can post whatever articles you like in Development of Spore. JAF1970 (talk) 04:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Civilization Revolution is a horrible example. The game was officially announced then officially unannounced. Seems to me that your definition of "official" is no more reliable than statements made by the creator of the game, who should know the progress of his game development better than some PR person. -Zomic13 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The Wii was officially announced for Civ Rev by Sid Meier, who is every bit a gaming god that Wright is. GUess what? Many a slip between cup and lip, and the fact is, unless EA issues a press release like they did the Mac OS X, it's all words.
After all, Wright and EA kept saying Spring 2008 as a release date. How'd that work out? JAF1970 (talk) 04:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, once again -- and it's tiring to do this every few months -- there's a reason for this. Only confirmed platforms are mentioned because the old Spore article was way way too long with every bit of info trickling in. Development of Spore was created to allow all the information without making the Spore article lost in a sea of useless trivia and facts. Only confirmed, press released stuff goes in, as well as previews (especially hands-on.) An example is the introduction of the Mac OS version.

I know you're itching for the Wii version, but there's no release date even hinted for it even if they WERE currently developing it. There's no "There's be a Wii release sometime in the future" in the Spore article. It's not hard facts. When EA trumpets in a press release the Wii version and even a possible release date in their press section of Spore.com, it'll be added. It's policy for this article, to keep it nice and concise. JAF1970 (talk) 04:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

DS Article

Is the separate DS article really necessary? I mean, sure it has a slightly different title (similarly to the Need For Speed series on PSP [e.g. Underground on PSP was released as "Underground Rivals" and so on]). I think any information pertaining to the DS version can be well contained within the core Spore article. Sillygostly (talk) 00:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The DS version is very different in that it is not a God game. You ARE the creature, in a story-driven mode. JAF1970 (talk) 00:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

If you need an analogy, think of The Sims 2 and MySims. Oh, and it isn't developed by Maxis. It's developed by Foundation 9. JAF1970 (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

But The Sims games on consoles were also very different to one another (for example, the GBA, DS, PSP, PC, Mobile and home console versions are all completely different games, however they all share the same name), yet all versions of the game were contained within a single article (with the exception of the core PC version). I don't see why Spore should be any different. For one, Wikipedia is not a game guide, and I feel that any DS-specific information can all be contained within the core Spore article. Just because the DS version was issued a *slightly* different title, I don't feel that that alone justifies giving it a separate article. Sillygostly (talk) 01:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
In my experience anyway, the handheld and console Sims games were never developed by Maxis. That still doesn't warrant a separate article for the DS version. Sillygostly (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Let's see:


Okay, the game is story-driven, no God game aspects, is developed by someone else, features Pokemon-style badges, item collection, Achievements, focuses on only one phase, and is 2D. It's a completely different game, as much as the mobile version, which is an hour long, and has multiplayer battles as an aftergame. (Remember, no MP in Spore PC/Mac).

I'd say it's VERY VERY different. (laugh) JAF1970 (talk) 01:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

So? The Sims on DS for example, was "VERY VERY different" from every other incarnation of the game, yet it was well contained within the core console article. Sillygostly (talk) 01:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Except it's got a different NAME, different DEVELOPER, different GAMEPLAY, different GRAPHICS, different MULTIPLAYER - little hint, the DS version as multiplayer, the PC/Mac does not - and so forth. (chuckle) They're setting the DS version apart from the PC/Mac version. Way apart. JAF1970 (talk) 01:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Handheld/console versions of The Sims games have also had different developers, gameplay, graphics and multiplayer modes. Yes, the name remained the same, but a name change doesn't instantly grant notability for the DS version. I believe that whatever little information is available on the DS version can all be contained within the core article. Wikipedia is not a game guide. Sillygostly (talk) 01:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Um, yeah. Sure. I despise it when people say "don't be a guide". Let me know what "pedia" means. If that were true, maybe you'd be happier at the Simple English Wikipedia. This is more WP:IDON'TLIKEIT than anything. JAF1970 (talk) 01:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Rob, Spore Creatures is a delicate matter. It's supposed to be Spore, but not. EA insists on lumping the DS and mobile versions with the PC/Mac, but at the same time they're not the exact same game. That's why I made the Spore Creatures article but kept the DS and Mobile versions as a "by the way" and a "((main|article))" reference.

I'm inclined to at some point make Spore Creatures its own article, as well as Spore (mobile). JAF1970 (talk) 01:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

And what's wrong with containing all Spore related information within either the "Spore" or "Development of Spore" articles? Creating a separate article for something as trivial as the mobile version is a tad excessive. Mobile ports of home console video games are never the same as the original console version, but that still doesn't justify giving them their own articles. A separate section for the mobile section within the core article would suffice. Sillygostly (talk) 01:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
No, I created the Mobile version article - Spore (mobile) is vastly different while remaining a part of Spore. Look at Guitar Hero Mobile and God of War Mobile - those are seperate games in their own right while being a part of a license. Put simply - Spore is a licensed product with different licensed games. JAF1970 (talk) 01:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Have I ever denied that the DS and mobile versions will vary vastly from the PC/Mac versions? No. That still doesn't justify separate articles for the handheld versions. Sillygostly (talk) 01:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Rob was right. While the DS and mobile phone version remain mentioned in the article, they aren't Spore. They're based on Spore. JAF1970 (talk) 01:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, the console/handheld versions of The Sims (among countless other games) are also based loosely on the "original" version, but they still don't warrant their own separate articles. Wikipedia is not a tool to play these little "power games" of yours. You need cooperate with your fellow editors or else I will have to take appropriate action. The separate articles provide nothing that hasn't already been covered in the core article. Sillygostly (talk) 01:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
"Power games"? (rolling eyes) JAF1970 (talk) 01:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Is that all you bothered reading? Sillygostly (talk) 01:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think a separate article is necessary; both games are the same concept, right? The mobile version just has a few quirks. Unless it receives significant media attention, I'd suggest keeping it part of this article now. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 04:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Not even close. Those games are very very very very different. I suggest you read the articles. Spore Creatures is a Pokemon evolving type game that's typical of the DS. Spore mobile is a Pac-Man type game in which you play for an hour then fight other people over the phone.

Also, Sillygostly is deleting articles without consensus of even a Quick Article Deletion. He's becoming a Wikipedia vandal in very short order. He's behaving as if he as Admin powers, and he simply doesn't. JAF1970 (talk) 04:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Vandal? Admin powers? Eat your own words before you regurgitate. And I haven't "deleted" anything. I am acting in the best interests of the people who happen to read this encyclopedia. These supplementary articles (Spore Creatures/Spore (Mobile)) are completely superfluous, as they consist of nothingmore than copy/pasted info from the main article. I think it would be more appropriate to redirect the DS/Mobile articles to their respective sections within the main Spore article as opposed to deleting them altogether. Also, bear in mind that you do not "own" the Spore articles (WP:OWN). Sillygostly (talk) 04:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:OWN applies more to you then to JAF. You are owning the articles, and throwing them away. Look a bit at the "Spore Creatures" article. Look at it's gameplay. Heck, look at everything but the title. Now, look at this article. Only similarity is that Spore Creatures was inspired by Spore. 70.184.32.37 (talk) 04:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the ownership issue; more consensus needs to be seen here, both in creating these split versions and in redirecting them.
Now, on the different version issue; if enough sources can be found to establish notability about the mobile version, then create the article. However, right now I'm not seeing much on why the phone version should be so notable. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 04:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Spore (mobile) isn't notable? Let's see...

  • Maxis game
  • One of the very few major mobile phone releases - even Guitar Hero Mobile didn't get this kind of press
  • Spore license
  • EA publishing

Pretty notable to me.

Here's the thing - these will be seperate articles in the future - it's just a matter of time. These games are not Spore. They have a far smaller scope, and both have a very finite end to each game, and both of them have direct multiplayer (Spore does not.) Whether you like it or not, at some point they'll have their own articles. JAF1970 (talk) 04:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I am not claiming ownership over *any* Wikipedia article. My only proposal is that the Spore Creatures article is redirected to the main Spore article as the information provided in the separate DS article is *exactly* the same as that provided in the main article. The Mobile version on the other hand isn't notable enough to warrant its own article as countless console games are ported to mobile phones and handheld consoles, many of which are vastly different from that of the major console releases (such as The Sims 2). Thus, any version specific information should be confined to the main Spore article. The additional articles are unnecessary and should be used as redirects. The fact alone that Maxis is developing the game doesn't inherently grant notablility to the article. Sillygostly (talk) 04:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Spore Creatures will have its own box cover with a different title. Spore (mobile) won't even have a box cover. These are two seperate games in their own right. They are not even close to what Spore is. They're Spore-licensed games. Or would you say Halo Wars just a subset of Halo 3 because they use the same characters, vehicles, etc? JAF1970 (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Halo Wars is a separate game; a sequel if you will to Halo 3 (similarly to Return To Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory). The DS/Mobile games do not belong to a separate "Spore" brand, all 4 versions of the game are being collectively released as one game: "Spore" (but released across separate platforms, according to the press release). Sillygostly (talk) 05:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Name one way that Spore Creatures even remotely is the same game as Spore. Where in Spore is there a set storyline and a plot? Where in Spore does the game actually have 12 levels then END? Because you're actually levelling your creature in Spore Creatures like a Pokemon or JRPG. In fact, SC is basically an RPG. JAF1970 (talk) 05:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The GBA/DS versions of The Sims 2 and The Urbz were also RPGs, both of which had a self-contained storyline (with a beginning and end), but those games weren't given their own articles despite the differences they had from their PC/console counterparts. Spore DS is evidently similar to the PC version however it has been scaled down due to the technological constraints of the Nintendo DS console. The fact that the game embodies a few superficial differences from the PC version does not justify an entirely separate article. Any information pertaining to the DS and mobile versions can be merged in the main Spore article. Sillygostly (talk) 05:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
This isn't a SimCity/SimTown type of thing. One is a freeform game that never ends, with constantly shifting gameplay from Pac-Man to SimCity to Civilization to sandbox gameplay. The other is a 12 level Pokemon game that has a very definite storyline and an ending. This is more Grand Theft Auto IV/Pokemon comparison. JAF1970 (talk) 05:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I. Am. Not. Denying. That. The. Games. Are. Different. But given the context of the game (and the sources provided), and the fact that many other video game articles have followed suit (by describing version-specific information within a single article), I believe any version specific information should be confined to the main Spore article as the separate articles have absolutely no information that hasn't already been covered in the main article. Sillygostly (talk) 05:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, you are. You can't say "They're completely different!" then say "Merge them!" Why not merge SimTown into SimCity then? Exact same game, just aimed at a different audience. JAF1970 (talk) 05:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
SimTown and SimCity are completely different games. While SimTown may have been loosely based on SimCity (similarly to Theme Park and Theme Hospital), the two games were released at different times by different "brands". Spore on the other hand is treated collectively as "one" game (regardless of console), similarly to the various versions of The Sims 2, Pets, Castaway etc. Sillygostly (talk) 05:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge

In short, I propose that the DS/Mobile Spore artiles are merged with the main article. Take the Need for Speed: Most Wanted article for instance. While the console versions were released as "Need For Speed: Most Wanted", the PSP version of the game on the other hand was titled "Need For Speed: Most Wanted 5-1-0", but a name change and a few superficial differences does not warrant a separate article (like JAF1970 has done with the DS and Mobile versions of Spore). Information regarding alternative versions of the game (such as "Spore Creatures" and the mobile edition) should be confined to the main article. Sillygostly (talk) 05:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)\

I love how you proposed the merger then did it 5 minutes later without actually having a consensus... or even having someone get a word in edgewise. JAF1970 (talk) 06:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Why not merge SimTown into SimCity then? You can't say that they're very different games then say "We should merge them". They're going to be seperate articles at this time in September, whether you want to merge them or delete them or not. JAF1970 (talk) 05:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
See the Need for Speed: Most Wanted article. The PSP port had a different name too, but information regarding the game was still confined to the main article. Sillygostly (talk) 05:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
People, these things haven't even been released yet. There is simply not enough information on the Spore offshoots at this time to warrant separate articles. As times goes on and there's more information about the other games, then perhaps it might make sense for them to be their own articles, with brief info on the main page, but as of now, ALL THERE IS is just brief info. I don't see a need to have the same exact info at two (or three) places when one will suffice.Nanobri (talk) 05:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. Besides, Wikipedia is not a game guide. Wikipedia should only provide general and/or critical information on the game. Every trivial detail pertaining to gameplay is not suitable for Wikipedia. Separate articles would perhaps be bettered suited to an independant SporeWiki (if one exists). Sillygostly (talk) 06:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
(cough) Why have a Spore article at all? Here we go with "game guide". Is the article telling you how to play? Is there a strategy guide in there? Saying Spore Creatures - and by the way, that's the game, according to EA many times over -- and Spore (mobile) are not the same as Spore. It's like saying SimCity is the same as Pokemon and Pac-Man. JAF1970 (talk) 06:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
At least make an attempt to comprehend our comments before arbitrarily dismissing everybody else as "wrong". Sillygostly (talk) 06:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
No, here's the thing - a year ago, the same stuff was raging in the Spore article, about release dates and platforms - feel free to check the archives. Me and a few others set up a policy regarding Spore. I did a chunk of the work putting the excess facts - which were still very important - into Development of Spore, and making the Spore article about Spore and just the facts - what and how. No who's, where's or why's. That's Dev of Spore. It's kept the article nice and trim, with some attempts at Good Article status. It won't be a good article if people add on rumors, unconfirmed articles, etc. Everything that's in the article is fact, backed up by a myriad of links. I'm shrinking the DS and mobile in Spore because they're not the same game. That's why they get their own articles, even if they're stubs at the moment. You blow into town deciding you're going to change everything that's been worked on for the last 2 years, without consensus but your own. JAF1970 (talk) 06:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I've never denied for a second that the DS/Mobile games are different, but given the pattern of other video games (that are vastly different from the console counterparts), the DS and Mobile versions aren't notable enough to justify their own separate articles. All information regarding these two versions can be contained neatly within the main Spore article. Just because you've worked on the article for 2 years, it doesn't mean that you "own" it. Wikipedia states that "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly... do not submit it." Sillygostly (talk) 06:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I've worked in the video game industry in one form or another for the last 15 years, and have played them for 28. I think I have a grasp of what's important and what is not. What you have failed to grasp is the fact that you can't pretend to want to have a consensus or even a discussion then 5 minutes later do whatever the hell you like. JAF1970 (talk) 06:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
(sigh) I'll let you two duke it out I guess, my only point is that if all the info there is on the 'Spore-related-but-not-Spore' games is like three sentences then separate articles are not necessary.Nanobri (talk) 06:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
There was no information on some games like Tetris Splash and Lost Planet: Colonies except a game rating from ESRB or something. Of course they're stubs... for now. BUt they're still way different than Spore. JAF1970 (talk) 06:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The Sims 2: Pets is another Maxis-made game which was available in several different versions: PC/Mac, Console, PSP, DS, GBA and Mobile. All 6 versions are *completely different* (whereas the PS2/GC/Wii versions are essentially the same). The PC version is an expansion pack to The Sims 2 on PC (which adds pets, and additional items to the core game), whereas the remainder are stand-alone games. Now, the console version of Pets contains a story (unlike the PC version) involving Sims and pets. The DS version on the other hand is a vetinary simulator; the GBA version is an RPG; the PSP version appears to emulate the console version (with a few omissions considering the technological limitations) and the Mobile version seems similar to Tamagotchi/Nintendogs (as it appears to be "Virtual Pet" type game). So with that in mind, would you say that all 6 versions of Pets deserve their own separate articles? Most of the games were released at approximately the same time (like Spore), and all games vary in order to utilise the feature of all 6 platforms of which the game was released, yet information regarding the games were all contained within a single article. Why should Spore be given preferential treatment? These articles are not about what is important to the video game industry. That is what gaming and fansites are for. Wikipedia's aim is to provide a neutral perspective across a broad spectrum of topics. Sillygostly (talk) 06:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? SimTown and SimCity are extremely - would you consider them the same game? JAF1970 (talk) 07:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop changing the subject and answer my question. Sillygostly (talk) 07:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I did. You just didn't listen. JAF1970 (talk) 07:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
No you didn't. In your opinion, would all 6 versions of The Sims 2: Pets deserve their own articles? (as they're all completely different games *strictly speaking* despite having the same title). All I want is a simple answer of "yes" or "no" (and why). Sillygostly (talk) 07:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
No, just these, because they're radically different. One is described as Nintendogs and the other flOw. Every publication I've read and talked to have said these are three seperate games altogether.JAF1970 (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
A lot of publications considered Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts Final Mix as two separate games too. But we had to merge them and keep them merged because there were very few differences between the two. Currently it looks like the main difference is only gameplay and that doesn't really warrant a separate article. Something else I'd like to point out is that a consensus like this is not final for unreleased games. If down the road, there is enough information regarding the development, plot, reception, and game play differences, then they might warrant a separate article. But right now it is best to consolidate the content and sources to improve the main article. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
Have you actually read the other game articles? One has been described as Nintendogs in a preview, the other flOw. Those games are significantly different from Spore. Seriously. Also, the data for each game has been increasing as well, with a ton more evidence that these are seperate games in what the EA CEO is calling the Spore franchise. 1UP said "No wonder it took so long, they were making 3 seperate games." JAF1970 (talk) 15:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not arguing that they are the same game. I'm arguing that the content would better serve the main article at this moment. According the articles, the only difference right now is gameplay. And that is not really grounds for a separate article in this case. It's similar the Kingdom Hearts VCAST game, there just wasn't enough content for it stand on it's own even though the gameplay, story, and reception were different from the rest of the games. It was eventually merged into the series article and it was better off that way, it reached FA last year. The spin off versions currently are in the same situation. However, that may change down the road, as you have pointed out with the increase in data. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
Dozens of games are released under the same title every year, however versions between platforms are more often than not "radically different" from that of the core game. With that in mind, any information regarding alternate versions of the games remain confined to the main article. So what makes Spore so different? Evidence suggests that both the PC/Mac and DS versions share the "creature" phase of the game. So wouldn't it make sense to just merge the two articles? (since they both contain essentially the same info)
And since was Spore considered a "brand"? It took 7 years for "The Sims" to become a brand (although it's been a franchise for much longer). And according to the press release, EA treats all 4 versions of "Spore" as one game, however the experience has evidently been altered in order to utilise the key features of the 4 different platforms. Sillygostly (talk) 07:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

"Evidence shows that they both share the creature phase." If there were two games, tetris and pong, both of which had a level 1 entitled "level 1", would you consider them to be the same? "And since was Spore considered a "brand"? It took 7 years for "The Sims" to become a brand." Age has nothing to do with importance. If a 45 year old gave a 44 year old a knife, and said, "Kill yourself", would he have to do it? No. Age is not important to anything but age on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.32.37 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

1up preview and articles

1Up's news states: "Basically, they're launching three separate games simultaneously. No wonder it took so long." Read the entire article. They also compare Spore Creatures to Nintendogs in their preview - and it also has minigames. Spore Mobile preview - they compare it to flOw. JAF1970 (talk) 13:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop removing the Wii.

Seriously.

I'm sorry that you missed the notice, really I am, but it's definitely confirmed for the Wii, as much as it's confirmed for the DS, and it belongs in the article. KiTA (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[That last one] is particularly telling, someone directly at Maxis says that they will be definitely making a Wii spinoff game. In addition they talk in other articles about the DS/Wii communication stuff they want to do. I have added that information to the article, under platforms and Spinoffs. KiTA (talk) 15:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Spore confirmed for Wii "sorta"? A Digg post? And more of the same "Wright wants to make a Wii version" articles. Wright also said SPore would come out in SPring 2008. Stop with the old articles.
It doesn't help ALL of those articles go back to the SAME ARTICLE and the SAME INTERVIEW. (rolling eyes) You're not posting anything that hasn't been seen before.
There's only one way to verify: EA announces it in a press release and gives a release date. Period. This is not Spore Speculation. This is cold, hard facts. This has been the rule of the article for the last 16 months. JAF1970 (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Newly confirmed here by Maxis: http://www.wiiwii.tv/2008/02/13/wii-spore-at-design-stage-but-definitely-coming/
Stop edit-bombing the article. KiTA (talk) 15:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Um, Civilization Revolution was at a design stage too for the Wii. DESIGN STAGE? (cough) THat's not even development. This is not Spore Speculation. This falls under other platforms have been discussed, not officially announced. What the hell is "WiiWiiTV" anyway? (rolling eyes) A fansite? JAF1970 (talk) 15:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
You can post anything you like about the Wii at Development of Spore. Until EA releases a press release and a release date (even a vague one), it's not hard news. The main Spore article is for established, hard information, not maybes and ifs. JAF1970 (talk) 15:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It's as confirmed as it needs to be for an unreleased product in development. In fact, why isn't the "This article is about a video game in development" warning at the top of this article? KiTA (talk) 15:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It's in the design stage, according to you. That means it's not even in development. Posting that the Wii version would be a spinoff is even MORE wrong. The Wii version would most likely be the same game as the PC and Mac game, with 5 stages, etc. Spore Creatures and Spore (mobile) are completely different games from the main game. Hence, spinoffs.
Stop randomly posting stuff. People waited 24 months for a rock solid release date, and had to endure people posting the Amazon "best guess" date. If it's not a press release, it ain't confirmation. JAF1970 (talk) 15:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It's confirmation by Maxis. Stop edit-bombing the article. Your opinion is not the only valid one here. KiTA (talk) 15:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, stop posting wrong information.

1. Claiming EA's confirmation is not needed is wrong in SO many ways. 2. Saying the Wii version would be a spinoff is even MORE wrong. The other two games are not spinoffs because they're different platforms. They're spinoffs because they're NOT SPORE, just a part of the Spore franchise. 3. Maxis has confirmed nothing.

Even if you claim they're "designing" it, that's not confirmation. EA dictates what is published when, how and where. And checking Maxis' official Spore.com site and the Press section, there's nothing about a Wii version. JAF1970 (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I want you to visit this page. Do you see any mention of the Wii? This is where all official confirmation is listed. You can post all the articles you like at Development of Spore, because what you're describing is, well, the development. This is the Spore article. Only hard facts here. JAF1970 (talk) 15:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and do me one teeny-tiny favor? Visit Development of Spore and see what has been done in the platform section? You'll see why you should post your info there instead of here. There's a reason for the other platforms have been discussed link. JAF1970 (talk) 15:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, no. You're wrong. Maxis confirming that a Wii version is noteworthy information that does belong in the article. There's just as much information out there about the Wii version as "Spore Mobile", except for EA postulating about it, which is illrelivant, because the noteworthy information is that Maxis (the people making the game) are, you know, making the game. KiTA (talk) 15:52, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Um, until there's a press release, and a release date, it's not official, by definition. You can post whatever you like at Development of Spore - and the fact you claim it's a "spinoff" frankly tells me you have no idea what they're doing over at Maxis - you're basically exprapolating info from baseless assumptions, which is what we're trying to avoid at the main Spore article. JAF1970 (talk) 15:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, if you're guessing as to what a Wii version of Spore would be, guessing it's a spinoff, then obviously, there's no information about a Wii version to post there that's not speculation. By definition, it doesn't belong. JAF1970 (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, if you read the actual interview [here], you'll notice that April from EA Public Relations confirms Spore Wii, just says there's no release date yet. Then, right afterwards, Caryl Shaw (Maxis Producer) confirms that the Wii version will be a different game, in the same way that the DS game is different. Because both Maxis and EA have thus confirmed Spore Wii, as well as it being a spinoff like Spore Creatures, well, yeah. But, yeah, whatever, apparently you don't think it's noteworthy, so you're just going to edit it out whenever anyone puts it in. KiTA (talk) 16:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Has nothing to do with noteworthiness. You keep talking about this here when it really should be under Development of Spore; it would be an important part of that article. JAF1970 (talk) 16:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It belongs here, if only in passing mention, just like Spore Creatures and Spore Mobile belong here in passing mention. More in depth information could be put in Development of Spore, but a passing mention of "Hey, they're also talking about a Wii Spinoff game" isn't out of bounds, I don't think. Which is what I originally tried to add in the first place, before you started an edit war. KiTA (talk) 16:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Having re-evaluated the information, as well as realizing that the edit war we about started is on temporary hiatus due to the three-revert rule being broken elsewhere, I have re-added the Wii information from previous edits. It belongs here, because of the following:
  • A Wii version has been rumoured to be in development for the past 2 years.
  • Both Maxis (developers) and EA (publishers) have went on record now that there is a Wii version in the works.
  • Will Wright has been quoted repeatedly about his favoring the Wii as his next-gen console of choice.
Simply put, it is noteworthy, it is newsworthy, and it adds value to the article. KiTA (talk) 20:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Kita about this. Though WiiWiiTV probably does not qualify as a reliable source, 1UP.com, GameSpot, and Joystiq are more than adequate enough to include the information. Even if EA hasn't officially set a release date or sent out a press release, these sources are enough to verify the information. Per WP:VERIFY, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Wikipedia actually prefers third party sources as opposed to first party. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
Not only that, Will Wright himself has mentioned repeatedly that they're working on a Wii version. If Maxis and an EA PR Rep isn't verifyable enough, perhaps his celebrity status will be? In the last edit before it was protected I added several older references to "Spore Wii", including a 2007 interview with Will Wright where he says, "We're doing Spore on the Wii, and we did MySims." In the first interview after the game's release date was announced, he talks about the Wii version as if it was common knowledge. And in that European gaming website's interview with the Maxis Producer and EA PR Rep, they both talk about the Wii version. Frankly, I'm having trouble grasping why someone would not consider that enough confirmation. KiTA (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Most times editors just want to maintain a factually accurate article, which there is nothing wrong with. That's something we all should do. But it comes second to verifying the information, which is something a lot of editors don't immediately grasp when editing on Wikipedia. I know I didn't when I first started editing. JAF1970 is just trying to maintain the quality of the article. He is just may not be aware of all of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. And in his defense, there are a lot of them, some of which can be confusing. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC))
I suppose that's one way to look at it -- I would be far less charitable, given his tone over the past few days. Even another admin (as opposed to the one that locked the article) tried to show him the same links I did, which I wish I had noticed before, as I would have taken a different tactic.
Regardless, we'll try and figure this out. I think it's blatantly obvious that there's a Wii version in the works at this point, the discussion moving forward should probably just be how we should mention it in the article. KiTA (talk) 21:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
It should be mentioned in the article. The way it was added before (and how it is currently in the article) is that Will Wright has mentioned a Wii version in development, though it has not been officially announced by EA. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having that in the article. Continually claiming that we have to wait for a press release is ridiculous. -Zomic13 (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
JAF1970 is being highly hypocritical considering that the DS and Mobile versions of the game were mentioned in the Spore article *long* before EA issued the press release. There is enough evidence to justify the existence of the Wii version, and I believe it deserves a mention. However release dates should only be posted if they have been confirmed by EA. Sillygostly (talk) 07:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Just to reiterate, the DS/Mobile/Wii versions of Spore are NOT spin-offs. They are ports. A ports is a type of software that is redesigned in order to optimize the key features of a different CPU (i.e. DS/Mobile/Wii versions) Sillygostly (talk) 00:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
In my opinion the different versions aren't really ports. Porting, as I understand it, is where you rework the code to have a game work in a different environment. The different versions only deal with a small portion of the game and have fundamentally different game play, graphics, and developers (Foundation 9 for the DS version). "Spin off" seems like an adequate description of what they are to me. Nanobri (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Then how do you explain the countless games that are released across various platforms, many of which are developed by completely different companies, yet are released by the same publisher (and under the same title)? One such example is The Sims Bustin' Out. While the PS2/GC/Xbox versions were essentially the same game, the GBA version was completely different (and was developed by the same company that is developing Spore on DS). The Sims Bustin' Out also featured its own storyline, graphics and gameplay. Would you consider that to be a spin-off? The porting article states that "porting is the process of adapting software so that an executable program can be created for a computing environment that is different from the one for which it was originally designed". This rings true for Spore. While Spore differs radically across the platforms on which it's being released, each version has been tailored to the restrictions of the four platforms. I don't think it would be appropriate to break off EVERY single game port into its own separate article purely on the grounds that the gameplay is "different". Any platform-exclusive features could be incorporated within the core article. An example of a spin-off would be something such as MySims (a Japanese interpretation of The Sims), or Battles of Prince of Persia (a strategy/card game based on the Prince of Persia franchise). Sillygostly (talk) 06:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I read the porting thing to basicly mean stuff like changes into a different programming language, rework to accept input from a video game controller instead of keyboard, that sort of thing. But anyway, call it a spin off call it a port, that's just semantics. The relavent issue is whether separate articles are appropriate for each of the other versions. At first I was opposed to separate articles, but I looked at the actual separate articles and they have a reasonable length already. It stands to reason that more info will be available about them as time progresses as well. Consequently, I think it's fine for them to be separate articles. It would end up making the main article pretty crowded in my opinion with info on three versions piling up in one place. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Nanobri (talk) 06:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Penny Arcade

Penny Arcade did a Spore comic today, we may see some Vandalism as people come in. They have not updated the main page yet, so they may not be linking to the Wiki anyway. KiTA (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Page protected

Based on this edit, I am reprotecting this page. It appears that there's a dispute as to whether or not to include information about the Wii and it seems that the only reason this information was added back to the article is "that JAF1970 is taking a break" rather than that there is consensus one way or another. I have protected this page for a week. Any admin may unprotect it once a consensus has been reached. If a consensus is not reached within a week, the protection may be extended. --Yamla (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, just to be clear, protection is not an endorsement of the page's current state. --Yamla (talk) 20:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd be more than happy to work towards a consensus on this, thank you for the neutral pair of eyes. What is the procedure for this, discuss it here until we all agree? What if, as I fear, we will not be able to agree? KiTA (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Discussion is exactly the right approach. If you are unable to reach a resolution, WP:3O may be useful. More generally than that, WP:DISPUTE is how to resolve disputes. --Yamla (talk) 21:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Current consensus is that the Wii version should be mentioned; the only person who disagrees (as far as I can tell) is JAF1970. If he continues to be disruptive, then we'll go from there. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 01:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The most current news does not mention the Wii as a platform. Wednesday, 13 February 2008, 11:20 GMT - Spore to go on sale in September I would look for solid references before posting information that is questionable. Jeepday (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
But if you look at interviews they've done in the past 2 or 3 days, Maxis, EA, and Will Wight have ALL mentioned that they're working on a Wii version. KiTA (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it so difficult to understand what "confirmed" and "have been discussed" both mean? Is it so hard to post this at Development of Spore? I know several games that were dragged out for a certain platform and never materialized. Halo DS comes to mind - and they had a WORKING COPY of the game. JAF1970 (talk) 06:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a big difference between Halo DS and the Wii version of Spore. The existence of Halo DS was speculated upon by an IGN employee; somebody who evidently had *nothing* to do with Bungie. The Wii version of Spore on the other hand, was revealed by both Will Wright (the creator/designer of the game) and by the president of EA. Besides, minor details regarding the DS and Mobile versions of the game were published in the main article *long* before they were "officially confirmed" by EA. Why is the Wii version suddenly so different? Sillygostly (talk) 06:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a "big difference"? None development-wise. No difference between this and Sid Meier/Civ Rev, either. Ylama has followed my work on Spore, keeping it nice, clean and Good Article Nomination-worthy. JAF1970 (talk) 07:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I find it funny you should mention Civ Rev, as it even mentions the (now defunct) Wii version. And going back [a bit further] it even mentions the Wii version as being in development. So, um, why shouldn't we put the Wii version in this again? KiTA (talk) 13:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, from reading the articles where Will Wright says it's coming for the Wii it seems to me like they really want to do it and are thinking about it, but haven't started working much. They have said that they want to release the game on all platforms but I think the Wii platform in specific has been talked about the most for two reasons. (1) Will Wright loves the Wii, and (2) the Wii and Spore are both "revolutionary" so everyone is intrigured at how the two would come together. Because of the special attention being paid to it, I think a brief mention of the plans for the Wii in this article is appropriate in addition to the "other platforms have been discussed." I don't think anything beyond a brief mention is called for though since it sounds like a Wii release won't be for a LONG time. I can see that there might be a tendency for Wii/Spore fans to bloat this part up with speculation and links to every time Will Wright says the word Wii, but this should be avoided as it will likely just result in mostly useless clutter and will generally weaken the article. Nanobri (talk) 02:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
The release date for EU is incorrect, it should be changed by an administrator until EA confirms it. --Rockstone35 (talk) 14:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Paint Planet Purple???

why does it say that a player must paint heir planet purple in the civilization stage? i have never heard anything about this and think it is false. --74.129.145.120 (talk) 03:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This is news to me, so I Google searched for "Spore Planet Purple" without the quotes. I found [this recent preview] by Gamespot, which mentions it. Perhaps it is to make sure you have your homeworld in the Sporeopedia? KiTA (talk) 05:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
it was in a preview recently, it was a mission required before going into space. it's silly to include in the wiki because it is unlikely to be a mission everybody has to do before achieving space phase —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.157.26 (talk) 11:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, this purple thing seems strange to me. Should it really be included if we don't know what the reason is for it or even if it is always a thing you have to do? Nanobri (talk) 00:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I heard somebody mention it. (I think) it is a minigame the player recieves after they've built their first spaceship. The goal is to paint the planet purple, and the reward is a spaceship component that lets you sail out of the atmosphere aka get off the planet. (It might be in a video on youtube, if I find it again I'll post the link.) ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.211.156.10 (talk) 07:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Flight Currently In-Game

(I'm going to apologize for any mistakes I make in advance, since this is my first comment on Wikipedia)

Once the page is unlocked, or if the editting crew notices this, I suggest change the sentence in the Creature Section in reference to flying to say something along the lines of "as of February 13, 2008, flight is currently a feature available in-game, although has not been perfected."

This is based on the the recent bit-tech.net article. Because the words were under a bit of debate on whether they meant actual flight, or simply running away, I e-mailed the author and received confirmation that he meant actual flight. I asked him to post official clarification, but until that time, the author's response is posted in the forums in the second link. (Webbstre (talk) 13:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC))

Why is there no section for popular culture refrences?

The game clearly uses science fiction refrences from major literary works such as Dune and 2001 Space Oddessey to name a few. Why isn't there a section discussing this educating the less experianced science fiction readers of what influenced their game?SADADS (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I get the probable Dune reference (the fact that "Spice" will be the currency like the Spice of the Dune world) but I am not aware of others. Granted, I'm not hugely proficent in sci-fi triva knowledge, so I'm probably missing stuff. Has anyone related to the game development talked about pop culture references in the game in an interview or anything like that? If not then I'm afraid that citing sources for such a section would be problematic. Also, this may be just my own opinion and I'm certainly open to changing my mind, but I am kind of skeptical of whether pop culture references are really suitable encyclopedia material. Anyone else have thoughts on the matter? Nanobri (talk) 21:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Nanobri is right. Pop culture references are generally deemed as non-encyclopedic because of their "trivia" nature, though there certainly are exceptions. In this case, where the references are influences that inspired the game developers, there is normally more leeway. But such statements would need to be backed up by a reliable source, like a developer interview or some feature from a magazine or website. Even then, it may not warrant a separate section and would need to be integrated into the rest of the prose. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC))
Will Wright has mentioned on multiple occasions that he wanted to work in a lot of his favourite science fiction universes. These are mostly in the Space phase, where he worked in several tools that reference to popular culture. For example, you can build a Monolith in a Space Odyssey reference, or use a Genesis Device to instantly make a plant habitable, as a reference to Star Trek. War of the Worlds has also been mentioned on several occasions, though there's no clear cut reference there except that you have the option to destroy cities with your UFO. I could probably look it up, they're in most of his presentations. Personally, I'm not sure if it really is enough here. The inspiration for the game didn't come from popular culture, it just inspired some features of the game (so I think it wouldn't warrant more than a mentioning somewhere in the Space Phase part). Will Wright's main reason for making the game was that he wanted to give people a better long-term vision (or so he says). (Zindaras (talk) 22:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC))

Online Exclusiveness

Anyone knows if it will be neccesary to be online or even have internet connection? , it could help a few to know the answer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.234.50.128 (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

No, there are allready thousands of pre-made creatures, buildings, etc. Althogh an internet connection greatly increases the fun because you can view how your creature plays in diffrent games, lots of creatures from friends, etc and it enriches gameplay.
NOTE: Wikipedia is NOT a forum. --Pseudoserpent (talk) 04
12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Spinoffs/Ports

Okay, that was silly, in extreme. 1. Spore Creatures and Spore Mobile are not ports. They're being developed by different companies, with 2D graphics only using one phase of the game. Those are not ports. 2. No direct ports being done? Huh? 3. Ports are made after a game has been released, anyway. (See the Xbox 360 port of Unreal Tournament III or PS3 version of Lost Planet) Jesus, don't use video/computer game terms if you don't know what the hell they mean. JAF1970 (talk) 08:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Then why don't we just create separate articles for every other game out there that has been redeveloped for another platform? The Sims games on consoles have had a history of being developed by other companies (as each console has their own team/developers), and each game is vastly different. For example, the PC version allows players to control their own families; the GBA version places the player in the shoes of a reality TV star; the DS version allows the player to run a hotel; the PSP version is an adventure game where players are to discover the "secrets" of Strangetown's population and so on. I get it. Each game is different in its own right, but what exactly makes Spore DS/Mobile so different to the myriad of other games that have been redeveloped for other consoles? They may not be ports *strictly* speaking, but the developers are basically ensuring that Spore can be experienced across as many platforms as possible. Sillygostly (talk) 10:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Sillygostly, I'm afriad you have a mistake. a "port" is when a finished game is being programmed to fit to another console. That is not the case here, as the DS version is being built FROM SCRATCH. Ports are like Gears of War - it was developed for the PC based on the X360 version. YemeniteCamel (talk) 12:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Sillygostly, your example of TS2 was a bad one as there is another article for TS2 for consoles! --Samtheboy (t/c) 15:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, a port of a game is basically a direct translation of one game for another. Spore Creatures and Spore Mobile have their OWN DEVELOPMENT. They're not being created from Spore PC/Mac. They. Are. Not. Ports. A port is something like Lost Planet (PS3), UT3 (360), etc. There's no way that they took the coding from Spore PC/Mac and moved it over to the mobile phone version, for instance. The potential Wii version is also a spinoff because they stated they were designing it and it would differ from the PC/Mac version. That, right there, means spinoff and not port. A port would have been taking existing Spore PC/Mac coding and translating it to Wii. They're building that Spore from the ground up. JAF1970 (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
That being said, each of the different versions of Spore don't need their own article, but can be a part of an article names Spore (console game) or something to that extent like the Sims 2 (console game) page. --Samtheboy (t/c) 19:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
No. These games will expand as more information comes in and you'll be forced to create new articles anyway. Having Spore (console games) will be a cluttered mess, especially in Categories. At least the Sims 2 games have the same functionality. Spore DS and Spore Mobile are completely different animals. And the whole point is to keep the Spore article smaller. It already has a ton of stuff that can't be removed. (Oh, and by the way, the Wii version will probably end up being an advanced version of Spore Creatures. It seems to be what they're planning.) JAF1970 (talk) 19:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Granted, more information will come in as the games come closer to release date, but as far as I know, the Sims 2 spin-offs are in fact completely different to TS2 PC, yet all of the games are currently condensed into one article! The same is evident with the Spore spin offs - they are all different, but due to some of them being based on one section of the main game, they don't warrant a full article on each. --Samtheboy (t/c) 19:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not "evident" - they're not even remotely similar to each other. Why not combine dogs and wolves, too? JAF1970 (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
So if I say that DS is a cut down version of the creature phase in RPG format, and the mobile version is a version of the tide pool phase, then would I be wrong? --Samtheboy (t/c) 20:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
There will be more details on each. Gameplay isn't the only part of a game artice, you know. Plus, even Spore Mobile will have more content to discuss as more info becomes known. Just relax and be patient - wait until the game is released, at the very least. Besides, Spore (mobile) and Spore Creatures are nothing alike. JAF1970 (talk) 20:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with JAF1970 for this, because in my opinion the games are WAY to diffrent from each other. The ds version has a finished ending, the mobile phone version only takes around an hour to play through and you can fight against other players (Spore for PC/Mac is not multiplayer), these two are 2D whereas the computer version is 3D. There is only one editor (as far as we know) for DS and Mobile. If you would put that all in one article, it would be hard to understand/clutterd up. Pseudoserpent (talk) 06:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
"Sillygostly, your example of TS2 was a bad one as there is another article for TS2 for consoles!" I am perfectly aware of that. What I meant that it would be silly to make separate articles for EVERY single version conceivable (e.g. DS, GBA, Mobile, PSP etc). Spore isn't the only game to have been redeveloped for other platforms as each console evidently has their share of limitations, thus each version is to be retooled in order to cater to the limitations of the (technically) weaker systems. Since the games are being released simulatenously, not to mention that any non-gameplay related information concerning the DS/Mobile versions would be limited, wouldn't it make more sense to combine any version-specific information into the one article? I'm even in favour of a separate "console" article, but separate articles for EVERY version of the game is silly. Why should Spore receive special treatment from all the other games that have been redeveloped for other consoles? Sillygostly (talk) 06:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

They're not ports by definition in that they have their own development from the ground up. They're not being ported from anything. Period. JAF1970 (talk) 07:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Still doesn't make them spin-offs, and it still doesn't mean they've been instantly granted notability for separate articles. An example of a spin-off would be a game like MySims. Spore on DS/Mobile aren't direct ports no, but they're indirect ports (that the experience is being optimized for a different platform). Sillygostly (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I've been involved in the industry longer than you've been alive. A port is when someone takes the software of a problem and translates it to a different platform - see Miner 2049er. Please, stop insisting you're right and everyone else is wrong. JAF1970 (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
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